Donald Trump Is Using False Statistics to Make a Racist Point

[righteousdude2]

Because I know how to find the REAL ones on the FBI site. Don't be under the impression that I was trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm well aware that some of you don't care what a candidate does as long as he's in "your party".

Well, Mr FBI, put up or shut up! You've been taken to task, and you still cant provide a proper response! Same old same old!

 

[Rob_BW]

I wasn't talking about 2015 stats. I was talking about previous stats that have been brought up to Trump and others on the right time and time again when they try to make it seem as though black on black crime is so much higher than white on white crime.



According to some, this is info made up by some neo-Nazi site and Trump has been quoting it. According to the story, a San Francisco bureau doesn't even exist. Bu the man obviously doesn't care. If it helps him make his point, he won't back down from using lies.

How do you plan on refuting 2015 stats with 2014 stats?

(Not that I belive accurate stats for 2015 exist yet.)

 

[Rob_BW]

Well, Mr FBI, put up or shut up! You've been taken to task, and you still cant provide a proper response! Same old same old!

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014#disablemobile

 

[Zaac]

How do you plan on refuting 2015 stats with 2014 stats?

(Not that I belive accurate stats for 2015 exist yet.)

They don't. Statistically speaking, you can quickly refute or call into question his fake 2015 stats by looking at the 2014 , 2013, 2012, 2011 and 2010 stats. His numbers would immediately be viewed as skewed data that any statistician would tell you highlights some OBVIOUS errors in the" 2015 assessment".

And I believe the FBI STILL does give semiannual crime reports or a summary of that nature to give folks an idea of where certain crimes are trending in the current year. But it's moot since there is no San Francisco Bureau or any stats from the FBI to corroborate his numbers .

 

[Rob_BW]

No, you cannot refute 2015 stats with 2014 stats.

A 2001 stat for Americans killed by terrorism would be much greater than the 2000 and 1999 numbers. But would still be true.

The only way to refute 2015 numbers is with evidence from 2015.

 

[Zaac]

No, you cannot refute 2015 stats with 2014 stats.

Statistically speaking, I certainly can. And LOGICALLY speaking, I can refute them by looking at when the 2014 stats are released and say there's no way he could no what that pic shows.

A 2001 stat for Americans killed by terrorism would be much greater than the 2000 and 1999 numbers. But would still be true.

Still be skewed data that will STATISTICALLY have the numbers thrown out as it is completely out of the range of the norm.

The only way to refute 2015 numbers is with evidence from 2015.

Neither true statistically or logically. Statistically, skewed data is refuted every day by statisticians, mathematicians, economists etc. based upon it being way out of character with the norm. Such info is often thrown out because the methodology is believed to be flawed or it is discounted because it's so out of character to the norm.

And logically again, we know when we got the 2014 numbers so we know about when we should get 2015 numbers.

 

[Rob_BW]

Roflmao

 

[Zaac]

Roflmao

It's that Advanced mathematics degree.

 

[Rob_BW]

Is it too late to get your money back? You should have stopped by the Philosophy Department and taken a Logic class. You are confusing evidence with proof. No conclusive proof of 2015 crime rates can be established from 2014 crime rates. In the end, 2015 doesn't care what happened in 2014.

Statistical anomalies exist. If they didn't we wouldn't have a word for anomaly.

 

[Zaac]

Is it too late to get your money back?

Yep. But plenty of time for you to enroll so that you, too, can understand statistics.

You should have stopped by the Philosophy Department and taken a Logic class.

I took lots of mathematical logic.

You are confusing evidence with proof.

You asked for evidence.

No conclusive proof of 2015 crime rates can be established from 2014 crime rates.

You didn't ask for conclusive proof. You asked me to refute it. And refutation doesn't demand a proof as it may also be established by argument. Wink Learned that one in law school.

In the end, 2015 doesn't care what happened in 2014.

Irrelevant.

Statistical anomalies exist. If they didn't we wouldn't have a word for anomaly.

Anomalies are a part of skewed data.

 

[Rob_BW]

They don't. Statistically speaking, you can quickly refute or call into question his fake 2015 stats by looking at the 2014 , 2013, 2012, 2011 and 2010 stats. His numbers would immediately be viewed as skewed data that any statistician would tell you highlights some OBVIOUS errors in the" 2015 assessment".

And I believe the FBI STILL does give semiannual crime reports or a summary of that nature to give folks an idea of where certain crimes are trending in the current year. But it's moot since there is no San Francisco Bureau or any stats from the FBI to corroborate his numbers .

Your words, that you can use 2014 or previous data to refute. You should have stuck with "call into question."

re·fute
rəˈfyo͞ot/
verb

1. prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.

Keep digging that hole, you're bound to dig a way out of it eventually.

And I still haven't seen this semiannual data at the FBI UCR site.

 

[Zaac]

Your words, that you can use 2014 or previous data to refute. You should have stuck with "call into question."

Umm, nope. I used the word I intended to use.

re·fute
rəˈfyo͞ot/
verb

1. prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.

Keep digging that hole, you're bound to dig a way out of it eventually.

refute

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re·fute
(rĭ-fyo͞ot′)
tr.v. re·fut·ed, re·fut·ing, re·futes
1. To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof: refute testimony.
2. To deny the accuracy or truth of: refuted the results of the poll.
3. Usage Problem To repudiate.


From where I sit, I'm above ground.

And I still haven't seen this semiannual data at the FBI UCR site.

You must not have looked very hard.Geek
i.e. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...annual-uniform-crime-report-january-june-2013

 

[Rob_BW]

You must not have looked very hard.Geek
i.e. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...annual-uniform-crime-report-january-june-2013

My bad, I thought we were talking about the 2015 semiannual.