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windcatcher

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Doctors Without Borders, complete with medical personnel, supplies, operating and inflatable hospital.... was turned away from Port au Prince Airport by US. They were told to turn around and land in the Dominican Republic and TRUCK in!

Can you believe it!:tear:
 

NiteShift

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The on-the-ground U.S. commander in Haiti, Lt. Gen. Ken Keen, acknowledged the bottleneck at the airport with a single runway and little space for parked planes. "We're working aggressively to open up other ways to get in here," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

LINK
 

windcatcher

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Sorry. Meant to include the link:
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=4165&cat=press-release

ort-au-Prince/Paris /New York, 17 January 2009—Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) urges that its cargo planes carrying essential medical and surgical material be allowed to land in Port-au-Prince in order to treat thousands of wounded waiting for vital surgical operations. Priority must be given immediately to planes carrying lifesaving equipment and medical personnel.

Despite guarantees, given by the United Nations and the US Defense Department, an MSF cargo plane carrying an inflatable surgical hospital was blocked from landing in Port-au-Prince on Saturday, and was re-routed to Samana, in Dominican Republic. All material from the cargo is now being sent by truck from Samana, but this has added a 24-hour delay for the arrival of the hospital.

A second MSF plane is currently on its way and scheduled to land today in Port- au-Prince at around 10 am local time with additional lifesaving medical material and the rest of the equipment for the hospital. If this plane is also rerouted then the installation of the hospital will be further delayed, in a situation where thousands of wounded are still in need of life saving treatment.

The inflatable hospital includes 2 operating theaters, an intensive care unit, 100-bed hospitalization capacity, an emergency room and all the necessary equipment needed for sterilizing material.
 

Johnv

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What's with the "Can you believe it" comment? The airport was left without the use of its control tower or radar, had incredibly tarmac space, and even staircases to access planes were limited. Rerouting the plane to the Dominican Republic was a matter of people doing the bext they could with what they had. That's all.
 

Revmitchell

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I am not willing to second guess the commander on the ground at this point. I cannot imagine any agenda here.
 

Matt Black

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The lack of capacity at Port-au-Prince airport has bedevilled the aid operation right from the start. This incident is hardly unique and I don't think the US commander can be to blame for it; the airport was way below standard even before the 'quake. I think the commander's probably doing his best with very inadequate facilities and having to make tough calls like this all the time.
 

windcatcher

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I'm sure we're not getting the whole story.

But exactly what the story is and how they are ordering the priorities or setting up realistic schedules to try to accommodate aid is anyone's guess at this point.

I remember the Katrina response. Trucking folks were lined up and paid big bucks to carry loads of ice, fresh water, and supplies to New Orleans..... and then halted by the military gate keepers and turned around to park wherever they could find truck parking ....in some cases while desiel supplies ran low and ice started melting.

Heliocopters don't take a lot of room and can be utilized for smaller loads of supplies and movement and evacuation of people. If not suitable for transferring folks in and out of the country.... they could be used to transport between airports which have greater capacity for airplanes and use the Hati airport for priority relief unavailable otherwise. Hope this is already being done..... but given the efficiency of the government ...... and every decision requires a committee to study it and vote before an action is taken....... Well...... you catch my drift!
 

preachinjesus

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The Katrina point is a good one. The literal beauracratic roadblocks to getting aid in there destroyed truck fulls of food and supplies as they sat on the highways leading into New Orleans.

Is it really surprising that an improverished country like Haiti would have a marginally usable airport before the crisis? I don't think so.

Without any supporting mechanisms for infrastructure and all major contruction pieces being used to find people in the rubble it will be a hard thing to make this airport usable again.
 

carpro

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If the airport is full, it's full.

Doesn't matter what's on the next plane.
 

windcatcher

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This link has more news which may explain my own concern for priorities. By the way, I have a family member deployed already to Haiti after the earth quake.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20100115&articleId=17000
The response to Rita in Texas (historical reference):
"The response to the national disaster is not being coordinated by the civilian government out of Texas, but from a remote location and in accordance with military criteria. US Northern Command Headquarters will directly control the movement of military personnel and hardware in the Gulf of Mexico. As in the case of Katrina, it will override the actions of civilian bodies. Yet in this case, the entire operation is under the jurisdiction of the military rather than under that of FEMA." (Michel Chossudovsky, US Northern Command and Hurricane Rita, Global Research, September 24, 2005)

Now in Hati..... the military:
Haiti has a longstanding history of US military intervention and occupation going back to the beginning of the 20th Century. US interventionism has contributed to the destruction of Haiti's national economy and the impoverishment of its population.

The devastating earthquake is presented to World public opinion as the sole cause of the country's predicament.

A country has been destroyed, its infrastructure demolished. Its people precipitated into abysmal poverty and despair.

Haiti's history, its colonial past have been erased.

The US military has come to the rescue of an impoverished Nation. What is its Mandate?

Is it a Humanitarian Operation or an Invasion?

The main actors in America's "humanitarian operation" are the Department of Defense, the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). (See USAID Speeches: On-The-Record Briefing on the Situation in Haiti, 01/13/10). USAID has also been entrusted in channelling food aid to Haiti, which is distributed by the World Food Program. (See USAID Press Release: USAID to Provide Emergency Food Aid for Haiti Earthquake Victims, January 13, 2010)

The military component of the US mission, however, tends to overshadow the civilian functions of rescuing a desperate and impoverished population. The overall humanitarian operation is not being led by civilian governmental agencies such as FEMA or USAID, but by the Pentagon.

The dominant decision making role has been entrusted to US Southern Command (SOUTHCOM).

A massive deployment of military hardware and personnel is contemplated. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen has confirmed that the US will be sending nine to ten thousand troops to Haiti, including 2000 marines. (American Forces Press Service, January 14, 2010)

Aircraft carrier, USS Carl Vinson and its complement of supporting ships has already arrived in Port au Prince. (January 15, 2010). The 2,000-member Marine Amphibious Unit as well as and soldiers from the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne division "are trained in a wide variety of missions including security and riot-control in addition to humanitarian tasks."

In contrast to rescue and relief teams dispatched by various civilian teams and organizations, the humanitarian mandate of the US military is not clearly defined:

“Marines are definitely warriors first, and that is what the world knows the Marines for,... [but] we’re equally as compassionate when we need to be, and this is a role that we’d like to show -- that compassionate warrior, reaching out with a helping hand for those who need it. We are very excited about this.” (Marines' Spokesman, Marines Embark on Haiti Response Mission, Army Forces Press Services, January 14, 2010)

While presidents Obama and Préval spoke on the phone, there were no reports of negotiations between the two governments regarding the entry and deployment of US troops on Haitian soil. The decision was taken and imposed unilaterally by Washington. The total lack of a functioning government in Haiti was used to legitimize, on humanitarian grounds, the sending in of a powerful military force, which has de facto taken over several governmental functions.
 

Revmitchell

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Haiti has a longstanding history of US military intervention and occupation going back to the beginning of the 20th Century. US interventionism has contributed to the destruction of Haiti's national economy and the impoverishment of its population.

sorry don't buy it. The info is not credible
 

mcdirector

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The airport in DR is 160 miles from the one in Haiti. An inconvenience, but a distance that is certainly drivable in a decent period of time.
 

Matt Black

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Yes and no. My understanding is that many of the roads are blocked by earthquake debris making them well-nigh impassable. It's almost a lose-lose situation. I don't think finger-pointing at the US military who, AFAICT, are doing as good a job they can in a very difficult situation, is at all fair; understandable perhaps from the poor souls on the ground who have to vent their frustration and despair at someone, but incorrect nevertheless.
 

windcatcher

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ort-au-Prince/Paris /New York, 17 January 2009—Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) urges that its cargo planes carrying essential medical and surgical material be allowed to land in Port-au-Prince in order to treat thousands of wounded waiting for vital surgical operations. Priority must be given immediately to planes carrying lifesaving equipment and medical personnel.

Despite guarantees, given by the United Nations and the US Defense Department, an MSF cargo plane carrying an inflatable surgical hospital was blocked from landing in Port-au-Prince on Saturday, and was re-routed to Samana, in Dominican Republic. All material from the cargo is now being sent by truck from Samana, but this has added a 24-hour delay for the arrival of the hospital.

A second MSF plane is currently on its way and scheduled to land today in Port- au-Prince at around 10 am local time with additional lifesaving medical material and the rest of the equipment for the hospital. If this plane is also rerouted then the installation of the hospital will be further delayed, in a situation where thousands of wounded are still in need of life saving treatment.

The inflatable hospital includes 2 operating theaters, an intensive care unit, 100-bed hospitalization capacity, an emergency room and all the necessary equipment needed for sterilizing material.

I would consider the Doctors Without Borders own post of estimate of this diversion as adding another 24 hours to their arrival in Haiti as CREDIBLE and significant impact to those who are seriously injured.


I don't find fault with a small military presence and force to stabilize and maintain order........ but I do question the impact of mobilizing and organizing and establishing a priority which should be rescue, medical, water, food, and shelter for those suffering when such a large military force requires them to organize and set up their own priorities of establishing themselves with similar provisions.
 

targus

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What are the odds that the critics of the Katrina response will lay the same responsibilty for actions on the ground in Haiti at the feet of the current President as they did with the former President?
 

Revmitchell

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What are the odds that the critics of the Katrina response will lay the same responsibilty for actions on the ground in Haiti at the feet of the current President as they did with the former President?

The odds are in Obama's favor even as they ignore that the primary responsibility in the Katrina repsonse was at the state level and there was none.
 

targus

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The odds are in Obama's favor even as they ignore that the primary responsibility in the Katrina repsonse was at the state level and there was none.

I am also wondering what has been the response of the Dominican Republic?

Surely they have doctors that could have been in Haiti in a matter of a few hours.

Were they?
 
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