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Downgrade at Southern Seminary: Higher Criticism (Part I)

church mouse guy

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This Dominic Hernandez seems to be a liberal theologian inside the SBC.

It is amazing to see the rapid slide into liberalism in the SBC. It may be even worse here in the north. I can't believe that the coverup effort extends to denying severance pay to former staff unless they sign papers promising not to tell the truth about what the SBC is doing.

What is the SBC doing?
 

Mikey

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When standards are nolonger upheld and enforced then gradually (or not so gradual) allow lecturers to tech false doctrine, and thus infects the future pastor's minds, then the seminary and churches become liberal.

it is very sad to see.
 
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Revmitchell

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For more info:

Donate to Enemies Within the Church (501c3) https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/#d...

Go Fund Me for fired SBTS who won't sign Separation Agreement https://www.gofundme.com/f/sbts-profs

Grace Baptist Church benevolence fund to help SBTS professors (501c3) http://truegraceofgod.org/giving/

Dr. Russell Fuller Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/russell.full...

Mentioned in this Video Concerns Concerning Dr. Dominick Hernandez https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/wp...

Mythopoetic Imagery Relating to the Firstborn of Death and the King of Terrors, Society of Biblical Literature (2017) https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/wp...

Dominick Hernandez Dissertation: Will the lamp of the wicked wane? : the prosperity of the wicked as a theme in Job and the Ancient Near East (2016) https://lib.biu.ac.il/files/libraries...

Dr. Fuller's Separation Agreement https://enemieswithinthechurch.com/wp...
 

Revmitchell

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FYI, this outfit you're promoting is run by a WOF preacher (Kenneth Hagin bible kollege grad), the whole shebang including holy roller babbling and women pastors LOL LOL LOL:

Cornerstone World Outreach Center Sioux City Iowa

You need to be careful of your accusations. I havent promoted anything.

Your adhominem has nothing to do with the content of the video nor does it prove nor disapprove it. You should know better.
 

HeirofSalvation

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I have no interest in the lies and slanders proffered by the likes of the Founders Ministries slanderers......
I'd encourage everyone to take this particular slander with a grain of salt. Their criticisms are (in a setting of higher Theological education) rather minor. I can understand the good doctors concerns, but they are hardly proof of genuine "Higher Criticism" being taught. Job is Narrative Poem. Job is not one of God's prophets declaring "Thus sayeth the Lord".

Taking the Bible seriously, often does not include thinking that everything that is said in an Ancient Near Eastern book of Narrative Poetry is supposed to be a dissertation about the facts concerning what does or does not exist, or how one ought to think about an abstract object like "death". There's a difference between Poetry and Prophecy folks lemme give you a simple example:

Two verses....100% God's perfect Holy Word:

Pro 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Pro 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.


OMG!!!!!!! Obviously the Bible contradicts itself right!!!!!

No, pay attention to genre, in other words, take the Bible seriously.
If Dr. who-ever thinks we consult the book of Job in order to define what death is, than I'm rather glad he was ignored, because he doesn't seem to understand what the book is supposed to be. We all know what "death" means...it means death. Job knew it, we know it.

No one consults Job for a forensic definition, and then pits it against another part of Scripture in order to find fault; especially a Pauline letter????
Really???
Why??

Well, correction, obviously, this guy does, and the Founders Activists think they've stumbled upon something meaningful with this...

Is the Southern Baptist Convention and it's Seminaries being infiltrated by Liberalism????

Yes, absolutely, so we should be warned. Specifically, it is happening through introduction of Social Justice teachings and Critical Race Theory....and I am glad the good Dr. is opposing such things.
This is NOT however a meaningful example of it.
 
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Revmitchell

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Writing a Thesis that insists the author of Job wrote mythology into his book and that Job held to standards contrary to other places in scripture is in fact a meaningful example and a huge problem.
 

HeirofSalvation

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Writing a Thesis that insists the author of Job wrote mythology into his book
That depends on how, exactly one defines "Mythology"....Mythology is NOT a synonym for "false" (as our good doctor alleged) I think rather oddly. "Mythology" as spoken of in scholarly circles does not mean something we assume to be untrue. I am sure you know that the term is (admittedly to some detriment) overly used and broad.
and that Job held to standards contrary to other places in scripture
Moses was an actual prophet, unlike the writer of the narrative poem Job....and he ABSOLUTELY held to standards contrary to other places in Scripture.
Genre matters.
I don't ask Job to teach things he had no intention of teaching any more than I ask Moses to.
But Paul was willing to supercede Moses' law when dispensations changed.

I'm easily willing to let Paul correct the poetry of someone like the author of Job.
is in fact a meaningful example and a huge problem.
A problem of Southern Baptists graduating High School and actually understanding what "genre" means for all types of Literature, and then inexplicably forgetting it after 7 years of higher education.

I don't care if Job disagrees with Paul...
Because it doesn't threaten Scripture one bit.....I don't insist that Job give us precise forensic definitions of things that he isn't trying to supply (like Paul might). Thus, I do not care if Job speaks of things differently than Paul. Those dudes were arguably.....3,000 years removed from one another.
The "Greeks" whose language Paul wrote in, did not even exist when the author of Job was writing, I don't insist they sound like each other.
Good grief...
 
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Yeshua1

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That depends on how, exactly one defines "Mythology"....Mythology is NOT a synonym for "false" (as our good doctor alleged) I think rather oddly. "Mythology" as spoken of in scholarly circles does not mean something we assume to be untrue. I am sure you know that the term is (admittedly to some detriment) overly used and broad.

Moses was an actual prophet, unlike the writer of the narrative poem Job....and he ABSOLUTELY held to standards contrary to other places in Scripture.
Genre matters.
I don't ask Job to teach things he had no intention of teaching any more than I ask Moses to.
But Paul was willing to supercede Moses' law when dispensations changed.

I'm easily willing to let Paul correct the poetry of someone like the author of Job.

A problem of Southern Baptists graduating High School and actually understanding what "genre" means for all types of Literature, and then inexplicably forgetting it after 7 years of higher education.

I don't care if Job disagrees with Paul...

Because I'm not stupid.
Would God inspire Myth into His actual discussions with Job?
 

HeirofSalvation

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Well have a much higher view of scripture than you do.
No, you don't. You have a more limited one.
You think you do.
And you come by it honestly, because you tend to assume every Bible author's intention is to reinforce the same Theological premises.

I used to think that way.

It's wrong.
It isn't a "higher" view, of Scripture....
It's one which makes you comfortable and conforms to what you want to make God write to you.
I think God can inspire what he wants....I don't insist he write in a way which is exclusively comforting to the conventions of Western thinkers of the last 400 years.

I understand that God didn't write the Bible to a bunch of white guys during the Reformation.
He inspired a book that spans continents, world-views, value-systems, presuppositions and expresses truth to all Nations, tongues and peoples.

Job is so far removed from Paul that it is somewhat analogous to someone in Baghdad in the 11th century writing to someone in the 20th century America (and in a different genre altogether).

Therefore, (since my view of Scripture is higher than yours) I understand that Job is not trying to accomplish the same things that Paul is...


God isn't a white Indo-European Mitchell.....(Job sure as heck wasn't)

Expand your horizons.
 

Revmitchell

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"Myth" is not synonymous with or assumed to be "false"...…….(in academic speak)

Our good doctor knows this, I don't doubt.

So....maybe.

You should give it up. You are embarrassing yourself. I suggest you watch the video very carefully and listen to learn not listen to disprove. Nothing you have said about what Dr. Fuller says is anywhere near the actual reality.
 

Revmitchell

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No, you don't. You have a more limited one.
You think you do.
And you come by it honestly, because you tend to assume every Bible author's intention is to reinforce the same Theological premises.

I used to think that way.

It's wrong.
It isn't a "higher" view, of Scripture....
It's one which makes you comfortable and conforms to what you want to make God write to you.
I think God can inspire what he wants....I don't insist he write in a way which is exclusively comforting to the conventions of Western thinkers of the last 400 years.

I understand that God didn't write the Bible to a bunch of white guys during the Reformation.
He inspired a book that spans continents, world-views, value-systems, presuppositions and expresses truth to all Nations, tongues and peoples.

Job is so far removed from Paul that it is somewhat analogous to someone in Baghdad in the 11th century writing to someone in the 20th century America (and in a different genre altogether).

Therefore, (since my view of Scripture is higher than yours) I understand that Job is not trying to accomplish the same things that Paul is...


God isn't a white Indo-European Mitchell.....(Job sure as heck wasn't)

Expand your horizons.

Yea I do.
 
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