Dr. Jack Schaap thinks sin is a joke

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any who knew me before salvation knows I was prideful. those who knew me then and know me now know the pride I had in self no longer exists in me. I glory in the cross, in Christ Jesus and His work... not in self.

 

No, God does not change the heart. God gives a new heart. That is the meaning of regeneration, being "born again."

1 Cor. 5:17 does not mean what you want it to. In the light of Paul's other writings, we have to say that this is not referring to the old nature, which still remains. Surely you do not think that God gets rid of the old nature and then creates a new sinful nature for us when we are saved!

In God's eyes, when we are saved all of our sins are done away with, as far as the east is from the west. Christians will never be punished for our sins (though we may be disciplined), since "there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus." We will sin as Christians, but we will not be punished for those sins, which are under the blood.

However, the old nature remains. We are thus able to commit after salvation every sin we committed before salvation. Take time to re-read Romans 7. If your doctrine were Biblical, this is where Paul would say so. But he does not. He clearly teaches that the "law of sin" that was present before salvation was still in him. He nowhere says that the sin nature would produce a new set of sins after his salvation, and the old set of sins would never again come.

 

You are treading on extremely dangerous ground here. Of course you have pride in you! We all do. In fact, many theologians consider pride the basis of all sin. "Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

 

Schapp references pedophiles more than once at around 55% of the sermon. He clearly says he believes they are saved, yet he will not allow them near school property because he cannot trust them around children.

If God's Spirit let him know that one was saved, then that one would not be a pedophile.

You say the sermon did not reference pedophilia... I am wondering if you even listened to the sermon. As a matter of fact, I wonder how many that are defending Schapp have truly listened to the sermon?

God's Word says one who is saved is in Christ and a new creature with the old things being no more. Yet many try to rewrite that to say 'if any man be in Christ he may be a new creature not to be trusted because he still has the same sin'.

 

Then if God gives them a new heart, they do not sin the same sins as the old heart had a desire to do.

 

I believe pride is the basis of sin... That is why Satan fell... pride.
You cannot commit a sin without pride...
murder... pride you want your way, so you murder
adultery.. you are thinking about yourself
Gossip.. .builds you up, and tears others down.
lust... same as adultery
covet... your pride makes you want what you can't have...
Lying... your pride wants others to think something about you that is not true.
dishonoring parents... you want your way.
Not submitting to authority... you want your way..pride
Love of money...pride... greed says you deserve it, they don't
Not witnessing ...pride... afraid it will make you look foolish
Not having faith... you think you can do it yourself, you don't need God.
Conceitedness... this is obviousl
low self esteem...this is the opposite side of the conceited coin... but it is still pride.... "pooor me...." you focus on how bad you are .... the focus is on yourself...
Everytime you didn't help someone else....pride
Everytime you thought of yourself instead of others... pride
Everytime you withheld something from someone that needed it... pride...

You had pride before you were saved... and you have it now...
Pride is the sin nature... and you will never get rid of it this side of Heaven...

Salvation is in three parts...
Regeneration... your soul is saved
Sanctification... you are being set free from sin daily.,, every day you grow closer to Christ, and realize your sins.
As soon as you get a room in your life cleaned up, there is something else to clean. (ever have kids? lol you know what I mean then.)
Glorification... when you are totally free from sin...your body is saved...resurrection.

Chances are you were a horrible sinner before you were saved..and when Christ saved you the sins you commit now are not as horrible to you, so the gap seems so far between the before and after. But sins are sins... and you commit them.. why didn't Christ do away with all your sins?

 

Paul sure didn't have pride in himself after salvation. As a matter of fact, Paul stated that in his flesh dwelt no good thing. Paul called himself a wretched man. Does that sound like he was a prideful man? No!

 

Paul stated that he sinned in Romans 7:19 'the evil that I would not, that I do'. Yet he also showed that he took on pride in his flesh in verse 24 'o wretched man that I am...'

Blows a hole in the pride is the basis of all sins theory.

 

Do you realize how hard it is for me to defend Schaap on here...
I don't like his usual ways... but that sermon was a good, Godly sermon.
I am, by no means, a Schaap supporter.. I have really been tough on him before here on BB.... but, I am not going to say he is wrong when he is right about this one. If I did that I would not have integrity...

This is one of the hardest threads I have ever participated in due to my feelings about Schaaps ministry overall... but when he is right, he is right.

 

No it supports it...
Paul was a prideful man before salvation... He also had pride after salvation...

He didn't want to sin (none of us do) but having the sin nature, he did sin.

I gotta go to bed.. just think about what I said, and why do you always have to be right... could it be pride?
It is for me anyway... that is why defending Schaap hurts me so much!!!!:BangHead: :tear: Believe me it hurts my pride!

But I must decrease and Jesus must increase...

Name one sin that doesn't involve pride.

 

Do you believe it is godly to hold a man's past against him if God has forgiven him of that past?

Schaap stated in his sermon that even if he believed God saved a pedophile he would not trust him.

The Word says 'if he repent, forgive him'.

Holding the past against one who has repented is not forgiveness. Nor is it godly.

 

I am not always right, but the Word of God is. '... he is a new creature, old things are passed away...'

 

The sermon 'Healing for the Inner Hurts' was mostly Psychology with a little Scripture thrown in. Schaap spoke of people being like they were because of their youth... psychology. Pedophiles can be saved, yet not trusted around children after salvation... more psychology, not Scriptural. Multiple Personality Disorders... more psychology.

Seems I am the only one who truly listened to the whole sermon.

 

He was wretched because he sinned when he did not want to, not because he had no pride. It is entirely possible for a spiritual man to realize he has pride, then be wretched because of the realization of his sin. Read the context. A text taken out of context is a pretext.

 

The evil that I would not do, that I do. It was not pride that caused that evil, it was giving in to temptation when he did not have to.

 

'God resisteth the proud but giveth grace to the humble'
... a statement made by both James and Peter in their respective books.

Man, after coming to Christ, no longer is self-centered. Man who is of Christ seeks the things of Christ.

Paul recognized that, even after the Damascus Road experience, he was still not just a sinner, but the chief of sinners according to his first epistle to Timothy. But Paul would not glory in himself... he would not boast in or of himself. Paul's many sins he committed after his salvation had nothing to do with pride.

 

I suggest that if you no longer have any pride, you humbly do a lot more study on this issue than you have. One way to do this, if you are truly humble and want to learn, is to read through the entire Bible marking every mention of sin with an underliner and praying for the Holy Spirit to teach you.

Right now you strike me as having quite a ways to go in your understanding of Scripture. For example, you ignored what I said about you being the only one holding your view. You evidently think you are more right that a whole passal of preachers and godly teachers, who have studied and researched this over and over through the years. I suggest: John R. Rice's commentary on Corinthians; his books on biblical questions (Dr. Rice, Here is My Question), his Twelve Tremendous Themes (has a chapter on sin), etc. etc.

"Millions of people have committed some ghastly sin and then have marveled and shuddered in surprise that they could ever do such wickedness." (Twelve Tremendous Themes, p. 62)

You are not answering what I say--we are talking past each other. This is no longer a debate, but an argument (and they usually stem from pride). I'm out of here.

 

I hate to do this to you folks, but this thread has wandered hither and yon and has nothing now to do with the topic of the OP.

I think Pastror Schaap has been discussed enough for a while.