Dr Wilbur N Pickering's NT Translation.

[Van]

Your apparent denial of the role His bodily resurrection plays in Him being our High Priest is problematic.

I am just going by what the verse (Hebrews 5:5) says.

On the cross, Jesus offered Himself as a sin sacrifice for all mankind, once for all, becoming the propitiation or means of salvation from God's wrath. Thus Jesus as our High Priest, offered Himself.
Thus when born as God incarnate, Jesus was not yet our High Priest, but became our High Priest before being nailed to the cross. Thus your assertion, Sir, seems problematic.

And all this hogwash to muddle the "begotten never means eternally existing" objective reality.

 

[37818]

. . .but became our High Priest before being nailed to the cross.

Not Biblical.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not Biblical.

he became our High priest once ascended to throne of the father and started his mediating work!

 

[Van]

Not Biblical.

Assertions without evidence are like sound and fury signifying nothing.

Was Jesus our High Priest when He offered Himself? What does God's Word say?

 

[37818]

Assertions without evidence are like sound and fury signifying nothing.

Was Jesus our High Priest when He offered Himself? What does God's Word say?

Hebrews 5:5, "So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee." Philippians 3:21, ". . . his glorious body, . . ." Psalms 2:7, Acts of the Apostles 13:33, Romans 1:4.

 

[Yeshua1]

Assertions without evidence are like sound and fury signifying nothing.

Was Jesus our High Priest when He offered Himself? What does God's Word say?

Not at that time, as he was the Suffering Servant of Yahweh there!

 

[Van]

We have Y1 saying Jesus was not acting as our High Priest when He offered Himself as our sin sacrifice.
And of course that assertion ignores scripture. But does anyone else know what scripture actually says?

 

[Van]

The question being ignored or dodged is when did God engender Jesus as High Priest? Many believe when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Power. And what are the offices held by our Christ, our anointed? Prophet? King? Priest? Who offered Himself as our sin sacrifice? Was it not our High Priest?

 

[Yeshua1]

The question being ignored or dodged is when did God engender Jesus as High Priest? Many believe when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Power. And what are the offices held by our Christ, our anointed? Prophet? King? Priest? Who offered Himself as our sin sacrifice? Was it not our High Priest?

He did not assume that role until he ascended back to the throne in heaven!

 

[37818]

New The question being ignored or dodged is when did God engender Jesus as High Priest?

When He became our mediator, Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:24. Isaiah 53:12. Hebrews 10:12.

 

[Van]

He did not assume that role until he ascended back to the throne in heaven!

Once again, Y1 simply denies scripture, Christ offered Himself as High Priest which is before (1) His death and (2) His resurrection.

 

[Van]

When He became our mediator, Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:24. Isaiah 53:12. Hebrews 10:12.

LOL, Just read Hebrews 10:12 cited above. He offered Himself before He died or was resurrected.

 

[37818]

LOL, Just read Hebrews 10:12 cited above. He offered Himself before He died or was resurrected.

At the right hand of God after He ascended which is after His death and resurrection.

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again, Y1 simply denies scripture, Christ offered Himself as High Priest which is before (1) His death and (2) His resurrection.

Nope, as he first had to die and be raised up before could be the High priest!

 

[Van]

On and on the deniers of scripture post with impunity. They either do not understand Hebrews 10:12, or pretend they do not. Go figure

Heb 10:12 (NKJV)
But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,

Heb 10:12 (NET)
But when this priest had offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Heb 10:12 (ESV)
But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

When was the "one sacrifice" offered? Before the resurrection or after? Pay no attention to those who deliberately misrepresent scripture to push false doctrine.

 

[37818]

he sat down at the right hand of God,

Which you seem to ignore here.

 

[37818]

Pay no attention to those who deliberately misrepresent scripture to push false doctrine.

This discussion is off the rails in nor dealing with Dr Pickerings work,

 

[Van]

I did not introduce the claim begotten means eternally existing.
I did not introduce the claim Jesus did not become our High Priest until after His resurrection.

 

[Yeshua1]

Begotten, which means begotten is a mistranslation of monegenes. No about of regurgitated denial will alter the view of modern scholarship.

As used in the creeds though, can be supported!

 

[rsr]

Way off track. Thread is closed. Try again if you want to discuss the OP.