Drinking Alcohol Poll--

My brother's death 3 months ago has nothing to do with my preaching the truth, MP. That is where you are wrong. I was preaching this same message of abstinence demanded on the BB more than a year and a half ago.

My hard-headedness, as you want to call it, comes from the Spirit revealing the truth to me through the Scripture and my accepting the truth.

Other's hard-headedness has to do with their rejecting the truth.

My brother's self-destruction did come from the occasional drink. For if he had not believed the lie that it was ok to drink occasionally, he would not have allowed the alcohol to deceive him into drinking more than occasionally.

Sin has roots, MP. The root of drunkenness is that very first drink. The root of taking the first drink of alcohol is giving in to temptation to try it or believing the lies that it is ok to drink.

On his deathbed, Melvin refused to talk with those who he knew were Christian. He had no interest in the Gospel. I would say we know his heart. His heart served another god... the bottle.

As to the genetic leaning... that is a copout. The Bible calls it sin. The Bible calls it the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. People need to get back to the basics and believe the Word of God rather than the 'He may have been genetically born that way' lie.

 

So this is where everybody went....

Well, I said enough on the other thread... I have to go meet about 500 Baptists tomorrow for a convention here in WV.... I have to get ready today...

If this is still going on by the time I get back, I may chime back in....

So until then,
Cheers...


Tim

 

I agree with everything standingfirminChrist has to say.

We aren't to experience wine when it has fermented and abstain from sexual immorality. We can't pick and choose the scriptures we like and reject the rest. It's either all or nothing. Or, the Bible would be a very short book. I wish it were longer than it is already.

It's sad when you go to a church and find out that everyone is acting just like the heathens outside the church. We are to be in the world not of it.

To many Christians sound like liberals. I'm tired of it.

All he is doing is warning you with scripture and love like the Bible says to. We have to follow the Bible. Not pick and choose.

 

Must explain why you and SFIC add to it! :laugh:

 

I have not added to the Word of God. It is those who say Jesus drank alcoholic wine that add to the Word of God. It is those who say God allows alcoholic wine in moderation that add to the Word of God. It is those who call good evil and evil good that add to the Word of God.

 

I'll not question your or any other's intentions, in this, or any other, matter.
Nor, necessarily, any one's conclusions, either, for that matter.

But I will suggest a slight change to the second sentence, I here quoted. How about you make it read thusly?

"God's word comands abstinence, as I have stated time and time again."

For were this "proven", in the minds of some of whom I am certain, are just as sure as you are, convinced that their position is Biblical, we would not even be having this discussion or thread. The very fact that we are having this thread, seems to suggest it may not be all that clear as answer, to me anyway.

This statement, just as any other, becomes no more or less true, because of how many times it is repeated, any more than does the statement that Jesus drank wine that did contain alcohol. And my opinion, or any other's opinion on the subject, does not change that, at all, as far as I can tell from Scripture.

Ed

 

We don't add to it. We both show people verses directly from it. You and others like to ignore verses. Pickers and choosers. You act like a troll from FSTDT.com. Are you on that site?

 

Apparently God, the Holy Spirit, thought it is exactly the right length.

Or are you a big fan of Joseph Smith, among others? I'll give everyone a pass on the Apocrypha, here, for this thread.

Ed

 

Ed,

I have rephrased my quote above:


God's Word commands abstinence, as I have proven to those who would receive the truth.

 

I know it's the right lenght. Wouldn't you like to know more though?

 

My posts in no way have any attributes of trolling, but your ad hominems are proving you cannot make a point with facts, so you resort to personal attack. As for pickers & choosers, look at the verses that have been offered in the other thread.

You and SF are entitled to your opinion. It doesn't make others wrong who disagree, and certainly do not call for ad hominem attacks.

Remember, this is a fellowship forum, so if you wish to make this debate, start a thread in the proper forum. And try to stick to logical arguments rather than running out of steam and resorting to name calling.

Oh yeah, I have no idea what you are talking about FSTDT. Foolish Statements That Deny Truth??

 

The only facts you need are in the Bible. If the Bible says it and you deny it, then yes you're wrong.

If you're not from FSTDT.com, then I apologize. They follow me around for some reason. I'd say because that site is full of Atheists and agnostics.

 

If you're not a picker and chooser, then Yes? or No? -- do you obey these verses --
Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.
Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more. (Proverbs 31:6-7)

 

This kind of unmerited and deliberately provocative post is how a troll operates. Maybe you have a mirror handy. Tsk tsk.

 

If you look back I did apologize. The people on that site follow me around.

 

Cheer up, that makes you a natural leader if people follow you!! :wavey:

BTW, what is the site you are talking about, you can PM me if you want.

 

That would be fine if God wants me to be a leader. I'm not sure yet.
I wouldn't mind starting my own webchurch.

I'll send you the site and you can post about it if you want to.

 

Your sense of self-importance may be an obstacle to any future leadership calls.

 

Shoulda' stuck with your original quote. It was less annoying!

Now you are claiming, albeit sub-silento, that anyone who disagrees with your particular interpretation of this is not interested in receiving the truth. Outta' curiosity, is this limited to "those who would receive the truth" about this particular subject? Or does it cover all subjects?

Uh- just when and how did you get to be the BB resident "truth detector", BTW?

I musta' missed that announcement, somehow.

Ed

 

I don't have any self-importance problems. The only thing that's important is reading and following the scriptures.
If I thought I was self-important, I wouldn't have apologized.