Dump the Huck

[Baptist in Richmond]

Somehow, after Baptist in Richmond repeatedly mocked Huckabee,

Oh, no - not at all. I am not mocking Huckabee. I simply noted the source of the attacks against him.
Is anyone really surprised that the Club for Growth is against Huckabee?

I have nothing against Huckabee. I am to the left of him politically; however, I have nothing against him.

Baptist in Richmond, I feel your pain.

:1_grouphug:

Regards, hope all is well with you and yours,
BiR (who is headed out of town.......AGAIN)

 

[church mouse guy]

BIR, your party is going to nominate Hillary. The GOP is going to take their time because people don't care about politics this early and have local elections anyway this year. And in the long run, the GOP will turn to Fred Thompson because, in spite of his mistakes, he is the best man for the job.

 

[church mouse guy]

By the way, here is what the astute Charles Krauthammer said about Huckabee:

"Yes, I know. I've left out Huckabee, whom some of my colleagues are aggressively trying to promote to the first tier. I refuse to go along. Huckabee is funny, well-spoken and gave a preacher's stemwinder that wowed the religious right gathering in Washington last Saturday. But whatever foreign policy he has is naive and unconvincing. In wartime, that is a disqualification for commander in chief."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2007/10/26/taking_reagan_out_of_the_race

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

BIR, your party is going to nominate Hillary.

CMG, I am not a Democrat. In my home state of Florida, I was a registered Republican. Here in Virginia, we are not party affiliated, and I would consider myself a disillusioned former Republican who is now independent.

If the election were held today (in other words, using the current field), Edwards would have my vote. I would have preferred to see former Governor Mark Warner in the race, but he opted out.

The GOP is going to take their time because people don't care about politics this early and have local elections anyway this year. And in the long run, the GOP will turn to Fred Thompson because, in spite of his mistakes, he is the best man for the job.

While I disagree with Thompson on a few things, I think he is a much better candidate on the GOP ticket.

Regards, hope you and yours are doing well,
BiR

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

"But whatever foreign policy he has is naive and unconvincing. In wartime, that is a disqualification for commander in chief."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2007/10/26/taking_reagan_out_of_the_race

Isn't that similar to what they said about the Governor of Texas in the 2000 election? I very rarely agree with Mr. Krauthammer, but in the case he may be right......

Again, regards to you,
BiR

 

[church mouse guy]

CMG, I am not a Democrat. In my home state of Florida, I was a registered Republican. Here in Virginia, we are not party affiliated, and I would consider myself a disillusioned former Republican who is now independent.

If the election were held today (in other words, using the current field), Edwards would have my vote. I would have preferred to see former Governor Mark Warner in the race, but he opted out.



While I disagree with Thompson on a few things, I think he is a much better candidate on the GOP ticket.

Regards, hope you and yours are doing well,
BiR

BIR, best wishes to you and yours. I am doing well but there is no cure for old age.

BIR, loyalty is more important than cleverness. All the independents have done is bring confusion and divided government to all levels of government and politics. Chose a team and be a team player.

 

[church mouse guy]

Isn't that what they said about the Governor of Texas in the 2000 election? I very rarely agree with Mr. Krauthammer, but in the case he may be right......

Again, regards to you,
BiR

BIR, the Democrats always say that all Republicans are stupid. That is there song and dance since FDR.

Bush had a grandfather who was a leading US Senator in the 1950s and a father who was President. Of course, he knew something about foreign policy. He speaks two languages--one more than me. He has an MBA from Harvard (worth a nice salary in Indianapolis) and an undergraduate degree from Yale with about the same grades as John Kerry the genius had.

I don't think that the former Governor of Arkansas has much experience at all and I agree with Ken 100% about his record in Arkansas. And a tip of the hat to Ken.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

BIR, best wishes to you and yours. I am doing well but there is no cure for old age.

:laugh:
You are not old, CMG. Old is a state of mind. I refuse to grow old.

BIR, loyalty is more important than cleverness. All the independents have done is bring confusion and divided government to all levels of government and politics. Chose a team and be a team player.

Oh, I was loyal. I used to be very active locally in the Republican party, both in college and as a young adult. But I could not be loyal to the GOP in its present form. It all started after that debacle I witnessed in Florida when I voted for President Bush. The party is a complete disaster, with an absolutely horrible track record after controlling all three facets of our government. My disillusionment culminated as we invaded Iraq.
As for the Democrats, they are not much better. They had a real chance to make changes, and have squandered it. It is coming down to two choices:

Democratic Party: Tax and spend [Loosely quoting Rush Limbaugh]
Republican Party: Spend and spend and spend and spend..... [Usurping Al Franken]

That being the case, how could I be loyal to either party? My experience is that we should all be independent and force both parties to earn our trust and our votes, not simply expect it.

As always, I very much enjoy your posts,
BiR

 

[KenH]

All the independents have done is bring confusion and divided government to all levels of government and politics. Chose a team and be a team player.

I wish we could do away with political parties and we would all be independents and vote for the best candidate.

 

[church mouse guy]

I wish we could do away with political parties and we would all be independents and vote for the best candidate.

Like the Hoosier farmer said, I vote for the man not the party: Coolidge, Hoover, Landon, Wilkie, Dewey....

 

[Roy]

Personally, I had high hopes for Huckabee, but I read disillusioning stuff on this board about him and heard Rush Limbaugh remark how he admired Huckabee but could not understand his support for illegals.

I also saw him on C-SPAN and when asked how he became a pastor, I just knew he would say that he was called of God, because what else could a Baptist preacher say? I was majorly disappointed with his response. He said that he "spoke" (not preached) a time or two at a church, and the church folks just kept after him to pastor their their church. Well, he just figured he had nothing better to do anyway than pastor a church, so why not?

Huckabee looks to me like the shining star of the debates, because he seems better spoken than any of the others, but I don't think he is serious about stopping illegal immigration, and I believe that during a economic collapse, he may not be patriotic enough to encourage Americans to weather the storm and pull together to get through it. Instead, he may use such an emergency as an excuse to sell the country down the road to the North American Union. "Seeing how the children were suffering" will be his reason. Politicians frequently blame the children for bad decisions, like raising taxes or massive spending. In fact, I could probably write his North American Union speech for him.

Tancredo is the right man for the job that Huckabee is after, but even at this late hour there aren't a lot of voters that are familiar with him.

Roy


Chuck Laudner mentions Tom in the Boston Globe Article
Read the Blog Post

Tom Tancredo is a lifelong conservative with nearly a decade of experience in the U.S. Congress. There he advanced his reputation as a solid pro-life, pro-gun, small government republican, and emerged as the leader in the national struggle for true immigration reform. Read more about Tom.

 

[Petra-O IX]

Roy, you have an amazing insight to what the real Mike Huckabee is like.

 

[Roy]

Petra:

Did you see "All the Kings Men?" I saw the old version on Turner Classics, but not the newer version with Sean Penn. The character in that film was a politician who came from nothing and ascended to the governor's office. He won the crowds by publicly belittling himself rather than making exalted claims about himself. I think the film paralleled the political carreer of Louisiana's Huey Long, though film producers denied intentionally doing that.

I see some of those characteristics in Huckabee, though not an outlandish amount. In telling an interviewer how his ancestors came to Arkansas, he said they were originally brought from a debtors camp in England and put ashore in Georgia. His particular branch made it to Arkansas, probably running from the law, and just stayed there.

Hearing him bring that up just reminded me of "All the Kings Men."

Roy

 

[Petra-O IX]

Roy,
I know the film you are talking about, I never have been able to sit thru its entireity though.
I will say this about Huckabee, in the beginning when he started his career as Lt. Governor in Arkansas I think Mike was a more humbler person and was a person who wanted to be a servant to the public,. When Huckabee became Governor after our former Governor ( Jim Guy Tucker)was indicted for his role in Whitewater, I thought Huckabee did a fairly good job of filling in the remaining time on Tucker's term and thats why I voted for him as Governor the first time he officialy ran for the seat. A transformation seemed to have taken place after that, Huckabee began to get a reputaion for being influenced to let harden criminals off the hook by either clemency or pardon.The manner in which Huckabee was releasing hardened criminals had an effect on our family beacause at this time a murderer who had previously killed my wife's sister was applying for clemency, thankfully our voices were heard and he was not released from prison.Add to the mix of Huckabee being very soft on illegal immigrants, spending our tax dollars for free health and education for illegals it became evident that this man regarded himself as a person who did not have to be accountable to those who elected him.
Mike Huckabee may not think of himself as a peron who has lost touch with the public, he may not belive that he has lost ways on values and serving the public but his actions say otherwise.
One final note on Huckabee, before he left office he spent thousands of the States dollars to have the hardrives on State owned computors destroyed and he has not ever sufficiently answered why he felt he had the right to do so.

 

[saturneptune]

Chose a team and be a team player.

If I had a choice, the choice would be to dismantle the two existing parties and start over. Both of them make a mockery of the Constituion, the welfare of the American people, leadership, and honest government.

 

[Petra-O IX]

Originally Posted by church mouse guy
Chose a team and be a team player.

It's us (Amercian citizens) against them (All the greedy grubbing politicians)

 

[Ps104_33]

During his years in Little Rock, Huckabee raised the state's sales tax by 37%, the gas tax by 16% and the cigarette tax by 103% (all fall particularly hard on the poor). State spending went up a staggering 65.3% -- three times the inflation rate. The state's workforce grew by 20% and Arkansas' general obligation debt increased $1 billion.