Easy-Believism and False Converts...

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Have you never read the story of the ten lepers that Jesus healed? How many came back and thanked him?

Luk 17:11 And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

How many of these lepers returned and thanked Jesus?

How many were healed of their leprosy?




Do you believe everything some Calvinist tells you? Do you really believe that non-Cals believe a prayer saves them?

And just how do you tell if a person is living good enough to be saved?

Can a person who drinks and listens to Rock music be saved? Can a man who lives with a woman when they are not married be saved?

Better be careful how you judge folks, you will be judged with the same judgment you judge others.

My brother listened to Rock, lived with 2 women, drank to excess (becomming an alcoholic) & became a pastor. He then set out to convert me (who drinks, smoked pot, lived with a women,didn't go to church & listens to rock music). Isperned him. Then he gave me some Cr's...one with George Whitefield sermon 'Method of Grace's...it was that sermon that changed me.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Maybe you shrould study George Whitefield.

 

[salzer mtn]

That is not what the scriptures say, the scriptures say over and over that you must believe. Yes, Jesus died for everyone, but if you do not depend on that payment it is not applied to you.

I have used the example of Super Bowl tickets. I could go out and purchase every single member of BB a Super Bowl ticket, then come here and post a thread telling every member if they will PM me their personal address I will mail it to them.

The ones who believe and send me their address will receive a free ticket.

Those who do not believe me, or those who do not care enough to PM me with their address will not receive a ticket.

That doesn't mean I didn't purchase a ticket for each member here.

And this is how salvation works, Jesus died for you, but you must personally receive that payment by faith. If you do not come to Jesus in faith you will die in your sins.

So salvation in your opinion is just a offer, a plan instead of a person. If every thing about salvation like faith and repentance doesn't come from God then it would have to come from man, so this would make salvation as much of man as it is of God. By this conception man get's as much or more glory than God does. What if i'm cripple and don't have the ability to come to the Super bowl, What if I don't own a car or don't have the money to buy the gas to get there. So you see your example is faulty, Christ not only bought the ticket but supplied the means of getting there.

 

[Edward63]

So salvation in your opinion is just a offer, a plan instead of a person. If every thing about salvation like faith and repentance doesn't come from God then it would have to come from man, so this would make salvation as much of man as it is of God. By this conception man get's as much or more glory than God does. What if i'm cripple and don't have the ability to come to the Super bowl, What if I don't own a car or don't have the money to buy the gas to get there. So you see your example is faulty, Christ not only bought the ticket but supplied the means of getting there.

I agree, that sounds like God's word to me!

“because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:” (Php 1:29 ASV)

“Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; seeing that his divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us by his own glory and virtue;” (2Pe 1:2-3 ASV)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So salvation in your opinion is just a offer, a plan instead of a person. If every thing about salvation like faith and repentance doesn't come from God then it would have to come from man, so this would make salvation as much of man as it is of God. By this conception man get's as much or more glory than God does. What if i'm cripple and don't have the ability to come to the Super bowl, What if I don't own a car or don't have the money to buy the gas to get there. So you see your example is faulty, Christ not only bought the ticket but supplied the means of getting there.

Amen brother:thumbs:

 

[evangelist6589]

Have you never read the story of the ten lepers that Jesus healed? How many came back and thanked him?

Luk 17:11 And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

How many of these lepers returned and thanked Jesus?

How many were healed of their leprosy?




Do you believe everything some Calvinist tells you? Do you really believe that non-Cals believe a prayer saves them?

And just how do you tell if a person is living good enough to be saved?

Can a person who drinks and listens to Rock music be saved? Can a man who lives with a woman when they are not married be saved?

Better be careful how you judge folks, you will be judged with the same judgment you judge others.

No I do not listen to one calvinist as I listen to many. Also I listen to plenty of non calvinists. Erwin Lutzer for one. He seems to promote a message that says one can be a homosexual, and fall into sin, yet repent and still be saved. This is true, as God has grace on others and its not because of our works. So frankly I do not know if some are false converts or true believers.

 

[DrJamesAch]

There are several there who'd like to oust him. Funny thing is when he raised an argument for his easy-believism nonsense several older women who know their Scriptures rebutted him -- bless their hearts!

And these are the Godly responses and demonstration of such blameless Christian character. I can't quite find any posts where the Non Calvinists are posting pictures of a cartoon character physically assaulting someone they disagree with. Help me out here, maybe my search function isn't working properly. :thumbs:

 

[evangelist6589]

And these are the Godly responses and demonstration of such blameless Christian character. I can't quite find any posts where the Non Calvinists are posting pictures of a cartoon character physically assaulting someone they disagree with. Help me out here, maybe my search function isn't working properly. :thumbs:

Do you not take the truth seriously??? Or are you one of those ecumenical types that cares more about "love" and "character" than truth? If so you need to flock to your teacher Joel Osteen for he cares far more about character than truth of which he has zero care.

 

[evangelist6589]

And these are the Godly responses and demonstration of such blameless Christian character. I can't quite find any posts where the Non Calvinists are posting pictures of a cartoon character physically assaulting someone they disagree with. Help me out here, maybe my search function isn't working properly. :thumbs:

Looking at your link at the bottom it appears you have allot of bitterness towards James White. While I do not agree with him in several areas, he is a sound teacher. Why the bitterness?

 

[saturneptune]

Looking at your link at the bottom it appears you have allot of bitterness towards James White. While I do not agree with him in several areas, he is a sound teacher. Why the bitterness?

Yes, it is seething with bitterness, which translates into bitterness on BB. I do not agree with all of what James White has to say either, but he is a brilliant man. The issues about his sister and parents were completely out of line. I doubt they would be allowed to be discussed here. They have nothing to do with truth in Scripture.

Why the bitterness? Not sure, but one is getting thrashed by James White. Beyond that, it is self fulfilling prophecy. The bitterness feeds the Calvinist debates here, and the more threads, the more bitterness.

If the bitterness was left at DoRight, his time here at BB might have been taken more seriously.