Easy Believism, do you agree?

What do you do, do explain that they are a sinner and that they are doomed and ask them if they repent, then tell them if the really repent they are saved? Did you forget the believe part too?

 

I couldn't post this on the OSAS thread so I will put it here. That's a good one Dr. Bob! "beaten to death" you are probably right!

God Bless!

 

But which baptism? There is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that is required for salvation and it occurs at the moment of salvation. That is when we become children of the Living God. Signed, sealed and delivered eternal life!

Or is this discussion focusing only on water baptism?

God Bless!

 

Here is what I believe is so easy concerning salvation...

Jesus...."But whom say YE that I am?"

Answer...."Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

God Bless!

 

That's a good one as well! Where did you get that? Yeah, I am ready to retreat to my corner and freshin up for the next round to begin. I hope it isn't too soon!

God Bless!

 

Ed,

You and I don't see I to I on prophecy, but on this I agree 100% - they are not the same.

IFBReformer

 

Anybody remember the old Saturday Night Live skit about "Glimmer"? I think that was the product name. Anyway, the question is asked, "Is it a floor wax, or a dessert topping?" Answer, "It's both!" It was pretty funny.

Anyway, the answer to the question "Rom 10:9, 10 or Mark 16:16, Which is it?" is the same: Both Scriptures must be taken into account when speaking of the salvation of man.

Both are Scripture. Both are written by inspiration. Both men were inspired by the same Spirit. Both verses carry equal weight.

In these two verses, there are three conditions given for salvation: belief, confession, and baptism. In addition to these, Jesus said that unless one repents, he would perish (Luke 13:3), so repentance is also required.

And of course, one cannot believe the gospel unless he has heard it (Rom 10:14-17), and so hearing the word of God is required.

In all, we have FIVE conditions given to us in the Scriptures which we must meet in order to receive pardon for our sins. They are hearing God's word, believing it, repenting of our sins, confessing the Lord Jesus, and being baptized for the remission of sins. Having submitted to these condidtions which we find in the Bible, one can enjoy full assurance of the pardon of sins and a good conscience before God.

And regarding OSAS, the New Testament contains many warnings about falling away, and exhortations to faithfulness, which would not be necessary if we could not be lost after being saved. We are even given the names of some who did depart from the faith, such as Demas (2 Tim 4:10), Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Tim 1:20), and Philetus (mentioned with Hymenaeus 2 Tim 2:17).

These are described as "...having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck" (1 Tim 1:19), and having erred concerning the truth (2 Tim 2:18).

What can we know about a shipwreck? Sometimes we can ascertain where it departed from, and sometimes we can figure out where it was bound for. But what do we know for certain about a shipwreck? We know that it didn't get to it's destination . Wherever it set out for, it didn't make it.

It's vitally important in any investigation to gather all the available evidence and base our conclusions on what we find. No police investigation would hold up in court if it could be proven that they had ignored pertinent evidence.

Likewise, the Day of Judgement will show whether or not we have considered the whole council of God, or have merely held to evidence that supports our preconcieved beliefs.

May we all commit to searching out all the Scriptures have to say on any given subject.

In Christ,

bmerr

 

Where do you suppose the ship was headed?

 

You have a one track mind, Ed

Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Is this talking about losing salvation?

 

Are you claiming that the verse you quoted defines easy believerism?

Romans 10:9 (KJV1611 Edition):
That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth
the Lord Iesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued.

 

I don't know about you folks, but I wasn't saved the day I professed Christ. I was saved in my bedroom one night, alone with God, when I was thinking about something Dr. Prince had shared with me, and I started talking to God about it, and asked God to forgive me, to reveal Himself to me, and to let me serve Him, and to teach me how to serve Him. After that, I professed Him before men, and I followed Him in baptism. I don't know how "easy" it was. I don't think at the time I really understood the full ramifications of what the choice I was making, but I do know that my life changed forever that night. It was, quite literally, like a light was turned on.