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Ecumenical leanings

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Soulman, Oct 4, 2006.

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  1. Soulman

    Soulman New Member

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    You are amazing Tiny Tim! First you try to say that the church of Christ is ecumenical. It most certainly is not! Christ wanted unity as He and His Father are one. That my friend would be based upon the truth!

    Then you post a nauseating touchy feely poem to support your weak position. All those people if they were real would be in heaven if they trusted in the shed blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. That is the ONLY way they would be there.

    I ever said that to go to heaven you had to be just like me. BUT, the bible is not different for everyone. It's truths are universal.

    The pride you mention is your own. You deny the truth to support your own position. Which is nothing more than a bunch of have it their way, anything goes as long as we believe in Jesus christianity. That is not what the bible teaches.

    Christ wants us to be one as He and His Father are one. That is in the truth. It is the same for all of us. Twist that out of context all you want but it is still true.
     
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  2. Soulman

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    Do you respect beliefs that are unbiblical? If you do, you are respecting lies. Any belief system not solely based upon God's word is invalid and should be seperated from. Do you support them for the sake of unity. If you fellowship and join in worship with people that do not hold God's word in the highest regard, you are doing wrong. Just because you think a person is saved and believes differently is not necessarily criteria for disfellowship. I am talking about those that are in with the RCC, or churches that teach infant baptisim or any other works based salvation. Also I would not worship with those who are utilizing the so called gifts of the spirit.(tounges, visions, being slain in the spirit, etc.) These gifts are not for today as they are used unbiblically.

    If you are a person that fits into these catagories, I would not come to your church. It doesn't mean we can't communicate. It means we can't worship together.
     
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    bump bump bump
     
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  4. StraightAndNarrow

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    In other words, you believe that God rejects everyone who doesn't believe exactly like you do on everything? They are all going to Hell.
     
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    Soulman,

    I appreciate your high regard for scripture. But I want to make sure I'm understanding you clearly...

    My concern is this: Face it...there are concepts in scripture that are simply difficult to grasp. A great example is eschatology. Theologians have disagreed for thousands of years about the rapture, millenium, timings of such, etc.

    Now, I know you would "separate" over what you considered essentials. But how far does that go for you? Would you, for instance, separate from someone who had the timing of the rapture/millenium/etc. different from yourself? There are absolutes at which the line can be drawn: "lies" versus "truth." (i.e., the view of Christ as fully human, fully divine. Take it or leave it. No problem). But I can't help but wonder: it would be a shame to draw a "truth or lie" line in the sand over a non-essential that has been questioned by many for years (shades of eschatology, for example...within limits of course (that "we DO win in the end" is a pretty important part!)

    Are there things that would cause me not to worship with another? Yes, absolutely. But I think my list is less exhaustive than yours.
     
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    I believe you misunderstood for I said Acts 2:38 is not our gospel. I'm don't deny this is the "Kingdom Church" gospel, but it is not the "Body Church" gospel that Christ revealed to Paul.

    The Catholic Church believes on Acts 2:38 (the great commission gospel) for their salvation.
     
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  7. Gold Dragon

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    That is fine. It may not be your gospel, but I consider Acts 2:38 to be an important part of my gospel. Peter felt that statement was an important part of his gospel. I don't interpret this verse the same way the Catholic Church does, but I don't pick and choose verses by creating artificial "divisions/dispensations" and eliminating the authority of large sections of scripture containing verses I have trouble reconciling with my understanding of theology by assigning it to another group of people.
     
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  8. tinytim

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    I'm sorry you feel that the brothers and sisters in Christ that happens to belong to the Methodist church are not good enough for you.
    I truly hope you will learn down here how to get along with others that do not believe everything you do, because heaven will not have stalls. I actually feel sorry for you, because you have bought into the idea that Christianity is a cookie cutter religion. Thank God for diversity.
     
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  9. Soulman

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    We can disagree on the non essentials as you state. I think you make some good points. However when it comes to the Jesus of the bible and the true message of salvation, there is no wiggle room. There is one way to heaven. Thats it! Anything else is mute. I will also seperate from so called christians that worship with any denomination that is part of the charasmatic machine. Where doctrine and ANY differences are not important.

    Quote: I'm sorry you feel that the brothers and sisters in Christ that happens to belong to the Methodist church are not good enough for you.
    I truly hope you will learn down here how to get along with others that do not believe everything you do, because heaven will not have stalls. I actually feel sorry for you, because you have bought into the idea that Christianity is a cookie cutter religion. Thank God for diversity. end quote

    I don't seperate from all Methodists. Only the ones that ordain homosexuals and women. I can and do appreciate diversity.

    Christianity is anything but a cookie cutter religion but there are the essentials as you put it.

    But it is amazing that we can all be christians, have the same book and be in such disagreement. To me God makes His word clear. It is what we measure everything else against. God's word tells us we shall know the truth. I have a problem with people that disregard the truth flippantly to support their own have it their way (burger king) theology.

    People can disagree but when it is blatant disregard for what the scriptures plainly state it is time to seperate.

    I am sorry if I insulted you Tiny Tim. I think I understand where you are comming from a little more.

    Someone quoted this: The charasmatics have love without the truth.
    Baptists have the truth without love.

    How true is that?????????????
     
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  10. Soulman

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    S&N, How many times and how many ways are you gonna say the same thing? I'll seperate from you because God hates repetition. Only kidding!!
     
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  11. tinytim

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    Soulman, I think if we were sit down, we would probably agree on separation...That is the one drawback to message boards, a lot can go misunderstood.

    I do stand on the Truth of the Bible as you do.
    Sorry, that a misunderstanding occured. It is my fault also.
     
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  12. Joshua Rhodes

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    Soulman, stay away from Psalm 118! :laugh:

    As far as ecumenism, I believe that churches can work together to reach a community for Christ without believing everything the same. Some essential beliefs are... well, essential. But on the whole, I believe that Christ can hammer out all the details Himself, as He leads us to come together. Just my opinion, but we need to be telling the story, to reach as many as we can for Christ as quickly as we can!
     
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  13. Soulman

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    Just remember: Amos 3:3
    Can two walk together, except they be agreed?:thumbsup:
     
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  14. Joshua Rhodes

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    Soulman, I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily.

    I just think we've seen, even in this thread, the the lengths of our "agreement lists" are of different lengths. As far as what we should agree on to walk together, I think my list is shorter than some others on here.
     
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  15. Soulman

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    Why Joshua? Why are our lists different lengths? Is it because there is so much gray area in the bible that we just all cannot agree? Or, for the sake of unity we feel that it is ok to compromise on what we feel are the non essentials? Is God's word truth and worthy to be coveted and protected or is it ok to water it down so that nothing really matters?

    There are some areas we must not compromise on.


    Virgin birth of Christ

    Jesus is the Only Way to God

    Eternal security

    THE FULL DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST

    "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" Colossians 2:9

    . PREEXISTENCE
    "...He who came down from heaven, that is the Son of man who is in heaven" John 3:13
    "He who comes from heaven is above all" John 3:31

    FORGIVING SINS Luke 5:20-25
    "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" vs. 21
    "The Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins" vs. 24

    Believer's Baptism

    The Priesthood of All Believers

    The Local Church: Regenerate & Autonomous

    There are many other areas we could and should go into because the whole word of God is important. I think alot of folks are just willing to compromise for the sake of unity. If God was in it, we would be in agreement. Perhaps not in church polity, but in doctrine. I don't think that if we are christians, have the same bible, have the same spirit, we can be so off on our doctrines unless it is not important to us. Then the devil gets a foot hold.
     
    #75 Soulman, Oct 22, 2006
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