Effeminacy

[prophet]

How so? Saying that we are by nature sinful is not typically classified as blasphemy (I don’t follow what you are stating here).

What is clearly condemned in 1Cor.6:9, was being defended as 'maybe God made them that way'.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

There is 1 verse in the scriptures, with the word 'effeminate' in it.

No there is not, as noted in my previous post the word translated effeminate in I Cor 6:9 occurs 4 times in scripture, but I Cor 6:9 is the only place where it is a noun. The Bible was not originally written in English and without looking at God's revelation you will miss or miss interperate a lot. You have to be willing to study at least a little bit.

It begins , by damming a list of people, including effeminate people. So I don't see including the rest of the verse as a diversion from the topic.

No it does not, no one is "dammed" the verse lists many sins and says they will not "inherit the kingdom of God." Reading the context, people who committed those sins are specifically present in the membership of the Church at Corinth. They got saved!

Challenging the word effeminate, is a separate issue. Your argument would eliminate the need for this discussion completely, as it would remove the one mention of the word from scriptures.

No, not at all, just making sure we understand what they meant by that word. There is unanimous agreement with scholars, excepting those few with a homosexual agenda, that this verse is referring to homosexual men, specifically those on the receiving end of homosexual acts.

One cannot be a believer, and read 1Cor.6:9, in the AV, and not see that God damns effeminacy. This is easy to establish, from the context within the very same verse.

Are you questioning my status as a believer? NO, God does not damn anything in I Cor 6:9, and the sin listed as effeminate is not being feminine in nature or appearce but participation in a male on male homosexual act.

Later, we find these same sissies born again, and no longer effeminate. So Regeneration cures effeminacy, like it does any other sin.
Saying that God made some men effeminate then becomes blasphemy.

Yes, I agree with you here, regeneration can cure homosexuality, just as it can cure all other sins. The temptation may still be there, but he act can stop. Didn't God make all of us sinners?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

What is clearly condemned in 1Cor.6:9, was being defended as 'maybe God made them that way'.

Nothing is clearly condemned and no one here is excusing any sin, only acknowledging that God made each of us unique.


Actually if you look at the list of sins there are several really interesting things to notice. In the category of sexual sin you have a wide range; homosexual and heterosexual, married and single, and even those how abuse themselves. Under thieves you have the same range; thieves and extorters that steal from others, and covetous that desire the things others have.

To use prophet’s terminology, those “damned” include what we would consider great sinners as well as small. The homosexual transvestite prostitute is placed in the same category as someone who covets the blessings of another.

The clear lesson here in I Cor 6:9 is not one of condemnation but of redemption.

Anyone who tries to twist that into a condemnation of feminine qualities in men is twisting scripture for their own end.

 

[saturneptune]

Here's what I was going to say:

Your misconstruals and mischaracterizations, such as that above, by which you jump to erroneous conclusions is why I doubt your appraisal of the non-disruptive behavior of your seven dinner friends and the character and purpose of the Christian group dining there.
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But I opted for "nevermind" instead.

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So does your purse match your shoes?

 

[prophet]

Nothing is clearly condemned and no one here is excusing any sin, only acknowledging that God made each of us unique.


Actually if you look at the list of sins there are several really interesting things to notice. In the category of sexual sin you have a wide range; homosexual and heterosexual, married and single, and even those how abuse themselves. Under thieves you have the same range; thieves and extorters that steal from others, and covetous that desire the things others have.

To use prophet’s terminology, those “damned” include what we would consider great sinners as well as small. The homosexual transvestite prostitute is placed in the same category as someone who covets the blessings of another.

The clear lesson here in I Cor 6:9 is not one of condemnation but of redemption.

Anyone who tries to twist that into a condemnation of feminine qualities in men is twisting scripture for their own end.

Yes, everyone on the list is damned. Everyone is damned, prior to redemption. No one can say to God, "You made me a sinner". But this isn't the discussion, and it shouldn't have to be. No one was made to practice any of these sins listed. What merit is there in defending one trait from the list?

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

What merit is there in defending one trait from the list?

Who is defending sin?

 

[saturneptune]

Nothing is clearly condemned and no one here is excusing any sin, only acknowledging that God made each of us unique.


Actually if you look at the list of sins there are several really interesting things to notice. In the category of sexual sin you have a wide range; homosexual and heterosexual, married and single, and even those how abuse themselves. Under thieves you have the same range; thieves and extorters that steal from others, and covetous that desire the things others have.

To use prophet’s terminology, those “damned” include what we would consider great sinners as well as small. The homosexual transvestite prostitute is placed in the same category as someone who covets the blessings of another.

The clear lesson here in I Cor 6:9 is not one of condemnation but of redemption.

Anyone who tries to twist that into a condemnation of feminine qualities in men is twisting scripture for their own end.

I do agree with you in a sense. The term effeminacy implies outside appearance. Since we are all sinful, flawed human beings, how that translates into inward character is questionable at best. Christ made it clear there is a difference. He called Pharisees whitewashed tombs, looking white and glistening on the outside, and rotting with maggots on the inside. (kind of the reverse of this discussion)

I have know male hair stylists that have that talk and walk that gives suspect to a same sex preference, that were married with kids and quite strong Christians. Also, who sets the male, macho standards? What are they? Deep voice, guns, etc. Some would think in their own warped way that being a dictator over his wife and kids is a sign of being a true man.

Before I was saved, I used to openly make fun of those with the walk, talk and characteristics. Sometimes it is correct, but not always. The notion of a stay at home Dad is the most ridiculous notion of the thread. The exact model for being a man of God is the pattern Jesus Christ showed on this earth. He showed compassion, turned the other cheek (not sure I could do that), was concerned about the poor, down trodden, and quite frankly, thought of others before Himself, something we fail to do.

I certainly do not condone males forcefully acting feminine, like wearing dresses, panty hose and the such, but this is quite different than someone who might have developed a talk or walk you think is not quite masculine enough.