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Egyption Religion was origin of Christianity

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tommie

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I need some help. My daughter is in college and one of her professors has told her about Ahmed Osman's "new revelation" that states that Christianity is nothing more than a rebirth, you might say, of ancient egyption religion. He parallels the trinity, jesus, the resurection...46 items in all, with this earlier time. I would like to know if anyone of you have heard of this and how to tell her how it is not true. I have scoured the internet with not one answer against it but much for it. Thanks so much
 
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Thinkingstuff

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Watch the vids attach to the thread in this section Characteristics of the anti christ. It has what the professor is talking about. The first thing you should know is the history presented is in accurate. If you really read what the actual religions taught and their mythology it is easily debunked. The Same thing for Mythras. keep in mind there are similarities but when you compare entire religions to each other you find divergence. The real mythos of Horis is misrepresented.
 
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Thinkingstuff

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Here are a few examples to separate the actual mythos and not what is sold on Zeitgiest.

which is the basic element in most of the other names of Horus. Horus was so important that the Eye of Horus became an important Egyptian symbol of power. Horus' consort was the goddess Ta-Bitjet
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Originally, Horus was the god of the sky, and the son of Ra, the creator (whose own birth was thought due to the Ogdoad). His mother was originally said to have been Hathor, since Hathor was considered as a representation of the Milky way, which encirles the sky, specifically as the cow whose milk produced it, and so Hathor was thought of as Ra's wife. One title that was often given to this form was Nenwen (also spelt Nenun), roughly meaning the exposed abyss, a reference to the sky.
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Meanwhile, in the struggle, Set had lost a testicle, explaining why the desert, which Set represented is infertile. Horus' right eye had also been gouged out, which explained why the moon, which it represented, was so weak compared to the sun. It was also said that during a new-moon, Horus had become blinded and was titled Mekhenty-er-irty (he who has no eyes), while when the moon became visible again, he was re-titled Khenty-irty (he who has eyes). While blind, it was considered that Horus was quite dangerous, sometimes attacking his friends after mistaking them for enemies.
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However, it had to be explained how Osiris, who as god of the dead, was dead, could be considered a father to Horus who was very much not considered dead. This lead to the evolution of the idea that Osiris needed to be resurrected, and so to the Legend of Osiris and Isis, a myth so significant that everything else paled in comparison.
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A connection between Jesus and Horus-Osiris is frequently raised by critics of the historicity of Jesus. Superficially, the death and resurrection of Horus-Osiris, and Horus' nature as both the son of Osiris and Osiris himself, appear to be a template for the idea that this occurred in Jesus. However, there is much more to both deities than this, and so such basic comparisons are not terribly persuasive to most academics.
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I hope that helps
 
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tommie

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Thank you for your reply. I really do appreciate you answers. I can't find the attached vids you spoke about watching. Could you tell me exactly where they are? Again, thank you for your time and effort to help my daughter and me.
 
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Alive in Christ

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Tommie,

I watched the 1st youtube video.

The reason for many of the similarities between Christianity and false paths is simply because Satan is a master deceiver. Also, some of what the guy in the video says is simply false. He lies.

Regarding some of the astrological stuff, much of it is simply examples of God giving wonderful prophetic testimonies of what was to come later, in the sky.

And I noticed that he allegorized the resurrection.

The real resurrection...Christs...was literal, was witnessed by many people, some of whom held to their convictions even unto threat of death...or death.


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tommie

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Alive in Christ, I know you are correct in saying Satan is the great deceiver, he's doing a great job with our young people. I want to talk to my daughter about the exact lies that he says in the videos so that the professor can be shown to be wrong!!!
 
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Alive in Christ

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I wonder if you two noticed something that I noticed when watching the 1st video.

There was, to me at least, a clear "attitude" in the voice of the speaker.

As he went through everything...*supposedly* proving that Christianity was simply a copy of previous pagan religions...I detected a bit of a condescending sneer in his voice. As if he thought Christians were so ignorant and pitiful that he didnt even like lowering himself to even be talking about their religion.

It came across as really pitiful to me.


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Allan

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tommie said:
Alive in Christ, I know you are correct in saying Satan is the great deceiver, he's doing a great job with our young people. I want to talk to my daughter about the exact lies that he says in the videos so that the professor can be shown to be wrong!!!
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Remember also that all those religious 'similarities' stem from the fact they all have a single source but as the people chose what they wanted to believe, they changed the story to suit their personal preferences.

Secular archeology has it this part backwards. These similarities did not 'progress' or evolve as different groups adapted varous aspects to their own moral codes. The fact (biblically) is that God gave man much information about what is truth and it to happen. Man as they multiplied and went out into different parts of the earth all carried with them parts of the truth which God had already revealed. Thus various other cultures on different contenants have similar stories (like the great flood, resurrection, a Messiah, ect..) Thus God eventually had to give these truths once again to Moses and the Children of Israel so it would not become absolutely corrupted by mans personal desires and preferences of belief (Rom 1:18; 2)

So the truth is not that religions evolved over time by taking from other views to create a better moral and cival code to follow but actaully have DE-evolved from it's principle orgin and truths to the twisted things that we have not only today but historically (which are not really very different from each other)
 
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Doubting Thomas

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Allan said:
Remember also that all those religious 'similarities' stem from the fact they all have a single source but as the people chose what they wanted to believe, they changed the story to suit their personal preferences.

Secular archeology has it this part backwards. These similarities did not 'progress' or evolve as different groups adapted varous aspects to their own moral codes. The fact (biblically) is that God gave man much information about what is truth and it to happen. Man as they multiplied and went out into different parts of the earth all carried with them parts of the truth which God had already revealed. Thus various other cultures on different contenants have similar stories (like the great flood, resurrection, a Messiah, ect..) Thus God eventually had to give these truths once again to Moses and the Children of Israel so it would not become absolutely corrupted by mans personal desires and preferences of belief (Rom 1:18; 2)

So the truth is not that religions evolved over time by taking from other views to create a better moral and cival code to follow but actaully have DE-evolved from it's principle orgin and truths to the twisted things that we have not only today but historically (which are not really very different from each other)
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Good points.
 
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Matt Black

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Good points, all. Remember that if you're going to counterfeit something, you try to copy the original as much as possible. EG: you counterfeit a $10 bill, not an $11 bill.
 
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Agnus_Dei

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Back in 2002 or 2003, when I was still a fundamental Baptist, our pastor done a huge Wednesday night study session on Islam. His main source of information was a large encyclopedia set called “This History of Civilization”. I can’t recall the author, but our pastor pick up a set at a yard sell and told us that a copy was in our library. He encouraged us to verify his lectures.

Well, I did, to his surprise. What did I discover? Sure the encyclopedia wrote of Islam as noted from our pastor, but also the same source didn’t speak favorable of Christianity either. That Christianity was a rip-off of other pagan religions including pagan Egypt, India and others.

So our pastor, when questioned about this, basically told me that all was true about Islam, but the part about Christianity was false. Luckily, my faith was and still is strong and I was starting to go through a transition phase from Protestant Baptist, to what eventually led me to the Orthodox Christian Church.

Anyway, I thought it odd that he put his trust in this guys research about Islam being true, but quickly discredited his research on Christianity.

In XC
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Marcia

Marcia

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Tommie, hope you are still checking for answers here.

Many of the claims made that Christianity is just a rehash of pagan myths and religions are downright false. For example, the claims about Mithras are not true - accounts of Mithras being born on Dec. 25 of a virgin, etc. etc. did not come about until long after the birth of Jesus - not before.

I think some good info is on the link Gold Dragon gave.

A lot of these claims go back to a book by authors Freke and Gandy, then a recent Zeitgiest film, and also a film called "The God Who Wasn't There."

Here are more good links:
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?id=124&option=com_content&task=view

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/mystery.html

http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4217655/

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0169a.txt


Also, see the book The Gospel and the Greeks: Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought? by Ronald Nash.

Refuting these kind of claims is what apologists do but unfortunately apologists and apologetics are very little valued in the church today.
 
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