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According to Peter's quotation of Joel's prophecy, there was a total lunar
eclipse on the day Christ died. That is Interpretation. By Application from known lunar eclipses, we have evidence that the
Day of His death was April 3, AD 33. Acts 2:20-22.
By Application, we also know there will be a total lunar eclipse on April 14, 2033 (Nisan 15), first day of Passover week of Unleavened Bread. This is very interesting as this will be exactly 2000 years after his death.
Humphreys and Waddington of Oxford University reconstructed the Jewish calendar in the first century AD and arrived at the conclusion that Friday April 3, 33 AD was the date of the Crucifixion.They concluded that:
"This eclipse was visible from Jerusalem at moonrise....The start of the eclipse was invisible from Jerusalem, being below the horizon. The eclipse began at 3:40 pm and reached a maximum at 5:15 pm, with 60% of the moon eclipsed. This was also below the horizon from Jerusalem. The moon rose above the horizon, and was first visible from Jerusalem at about 6:20 pm (the start of the Jewish Sabbath and also the start of Passover day in A.D. 33) with about 20% of its disc in the umbra of the earth's shadow and the remainder in the penumbra. The eclipse finished some thirty minutes later at 6:50 pm."
In Acts 2:20, the Apostle Peter mentions in the context of a prophecy from Joel that "the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood" [Acts 2:20]. A "moon of blood" is a term also commonly used for a lunar eclipse because of the reddish color of the light refracted onto the moon through the Earth's atmosphere.
Using different computational mechanisms, based on the approach originally used by Isaac Newton, John Pratt and later Bradley Schaefer separately arrived at the same date for the Crucifixion as Humphreys and Waddington did based on the lunar eclipse approach, namely Friday, April 3 33 AD.
Mel Miller
According to the great Hebrew scholar, Alfred Edersheim, "The Passover was sacrificed between the evenings of theThe killing of the Passover lambs began about two or three o'clock in the afternoon of Nisan thirteenth.
freeatlast,
Author of your article states: "Jesus arose on Saturday"!
He rejects "tradition" as if it has no support whatsoever!!
Out of hand, he discards the evidence for Palm Sunday!!!
He further states that the Passover Lamb was killed on Nisan 13
instead
of Nisan 14 as required by Lev.23:5. He writes:
According to the great Hebrew scholar, Alfred Edersheim, "The Passover was sacrificed between the evenings of the
14th and 15th of Nisan...before the
close of the 14th and beginning of the 15th. The Preparation, in John 19:14,
means the preparation-day for the Sabbath and the Passover, as in 18:39,
the whole Paschal week". Edersheim placed the crucifixion on Friday.
The author fails to recognize that a Jewish idiom, in reckoning the length of
a day, accepted any part of the day as equal to a "whole day and night". Case in point,
Jesus took the disciples to the Mt. of Transfiguration "after six days" in one
account; but "about eight days later" in another account.
Mel
freeatlast,
I don't care to argue this subject since it is much more important to me that
Jewish men like Alfred Edersheim agree with the findings of John Newton and
by NASA and the USNObservatory that Christ died on Friday, April 3, AD 33.
Newton determined this date about 400 years ago apart form any computer
technology we have today!
Furthermore, I found that on a 360-day continuous calendar, the 14th of Nisan fell once every 7 years on Friday if Christ rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. Palm Sunday fell on Nisan 9 and therefore Passover fell on Nisan 14 once every 7 years from BC 444 to AD 33...so that Christ had to die on a Friday if He rode into Jerusalem on a Sunday!!
That is a tradition that I personally do not question!!!
Thank you kindly,
Mel
Most of the scholars I have read put the time of Jesus birth at around 4 BC, not Zero BC. That would be Jesus death around 29 AD.
The scholars say the vagaries of the calendars are the reason for their conclusion.
Fair enough. I Googled the subject and found not a single view which supported yours. Almost without exception, they held the view that Jesus was born sometime between 2 and 7 BC. I didn't check them all, so there may be a stray opinion which supports yours.Tom,
You make a generalization without any specific name:
If you are contributing thoughts of a positive nature, you need to show references!
Tom, I see no challenge in your statements whatsoever!! You fail to refute any of
the evidence, even going back to John Newton, that Jesus may have died in AD 33!!!
Mel
Tom Butler,
I googled "christ died on april 3 AD 33 total lunar eclipse" and got over
10,000 responses.
For Newton's date for the crucifixion, go to:
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/newton.html
Try the evidence given by Zenos Christian Fellowship:
http://www.xenos.org/classes/chronc.htm
Or TruthMagazine.com:
http://truthmagazine.com/archives/volume28/GOT028159.html?PHPSESSID=269e906005cce40adf6e3b0bbf01cded
WIKIPEDIA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus
"Although there is no final consensus regarding the specific year or day, it is generally agreed by biblical scholars that it occurred during
the governorship of Pontius Pilate (between A.D. 26 and A.D. 36) on a Friday on or near Passover (Nisan 15). Several analyses based on astronomical data and computer simulations agree on the date Friday April 3, A.D. 33".
Tom, whatever you googled did not reference "up-to-date" findings since 2008 that support Friday, April 3, AD 33 (on which there was a
total lunar eclipse) for the correct date of Christ's death! On that same day, Passover Day in the year 2033 and on the first day of the
Feast of Tabernacles in the same year, there will be total lunar eclipses!! And that could fulfill both Joel 2:31 and Hosea 6:2 that God will
"return to deliver the Houses of Israel and Judah after two days...on the 3rd day"...at the sign of a total lunar eclipse!!!
Mel
My response to freeatlast's unprovable charge against me:"In other words you are wrong, you know you are wrong, now we all know you are wrong;
you love tradition above truth and you are too proud to admit it".
Tom Butler,
Thanks for clarifying that you thought we were discussing the year of Christ's
birth rather than His death. I had long ago proven that, if Daniel's 69 sets of
"7" began in Nisan of 444 BC, He had to die in AD 33. This is so obvious that
it cannot be disputed. But our friend, freeatlast, is accusing me of "twistiing
truth" to accept the "tradition" that Christ died on Friday, April 3, AD 33.
Here is his accusation against me:
My response to freeatlast's unprovable charge against me:
The date is not a matter of "truth vs tradition" but of factual interpretation!
Christ died on Friday if He fulfilled Zech.9:9 and Dan.9:26a on Palm Sunday!!
My point has been that, just as His death occurred exactly "five days after"
Palm Sunday to fulfill Dan.9:26a, so His second coming should occur during
the first or second day of the Feast of Tabernacles in 2033!!!
Mel
How do you get three days and three nights in the grave from a Friday crucifixion?[/QUOTE
A few Christians maintain Jesus was buried on Wednesday; some others insist it was Thursday by refusing the majority view of His burial between
3 PM and 6 PM on Friday to avoid breaking the Sabbath rest on Saturday.
If He was buried Wednesday, 72 hours (24x3) would require His resurrection between 3 PM and 6 PM on Saturday; but Jesus arose on the first day of the week! If He was buried Thursday, 72 hours would require His resurrection between 3 PM and 6 PM on Sunday!! Both views deny the Scripture that His resurrection was early in the morning on Sunday!!!
All 4 Gospels place His death on the day of "preparation"...well known by the Jews as referring to Friday. Examples of a "fraction of a day" as equal to one day are Gen.42:17-18; I Sam.30:12-13; I Kings 20:29; 2 Chron.10:5,12; Esther 4:16; 5:1. "Three days; 3 nights" was another way of saying "on the third day"...Matt.16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7,21,46; Acts 10:40; I Cor.15:4 OR after "three days"...Matt.26:61; 27:40,63; Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34; 14:58; 15:29; John 2:19-20. The Sadducees considered the day as occurring from "sunset to sunset" starting at about 6 PM.
John's account puts Jesus' death on Nisan 14 to fulfill Lev.23:5. He followed the Saducee's "sunset to sunset" rule that began the 14th Thursday evening ...the night before the crucifixion. These Temple authorities allowed Lambs to be killed on the afternoon of Thursday to accommodate the Pharisees who started the Day of Crucifixion on Friday at "sunrise", the 15th...instead of starting that day on Thursday, the 14th of their "sunset to sunset" view.
This agrees with the Jewish Idiom of "any part of the day" as standing for a whole day of 24 hours. I gave you the illustration of the fact that the Disciples went up on the mount of Transfiguration 6 days after Jesus had revealed that "some would taste death after seeing Him come in power (thru the Two Endtime Prophets). They were "tired" after making the ascent. They must have arrived a few hours after the 6 days ended as of 6 PM so that this was considered one extra day by Luke who was an accurate recorder
as a historian. If the count of 6 days was from 6 PM to 6 PM, another extra day would make it "about 8 days" if Jesus finished His discourse prior to 6 PM the week before they ascended the Mt. of Transfiguration.
My personal evidence for the Friday crucifixion is the fact that a countdown of 69 sets of "7" was based on 483x360-day-years which equal 173,880 days from Nisan 30 of BC 444 to Nisan 30 of AD 33. But there were 173,859 days on a calendar...21 days short of Nisan 30 [476x365.25; 444-1=443+33=476].
This puts the Year of His BIRTH in the fall of 2 BC and DEATH in the spring of AD 33 for which the www.starofbethlehemmovie.com gives irrefutable proof.
Now, subtracting the 21-solar-day shortage from Nisan 30 gives us Nisan 9 for the final countdown day on the calendar of 173,859 days from Nisan 30 of BC 444! If that day was Palm Sunday, NISAN 9, then Nisan 14 had to be FRIDAY!! This fulfilled Lev.23:15 for His DEATH five days "after" Zech.9:9 and Dan.26a were fulfilled for His acclamation as King...the Day "Messiah the Prince was hailed as King of the Jews"...the Day on which Jesus wept since they failed to recognize the "Day of His Visitation" as Prince!!! Luke 19:41-44.
Mel
freeatlast,
You write:
How do you get three days and three nights in the grave from a Friday crucifixion?[/QUOTE
A few Christians maintain Jesus was buried on Wednesday; some others insist it was Thursday by refusing the majority view of His burial between
3 PM and 6 PM on Friday to avoid breaking the Sabbath rest on Saturday.
If He was buried Wednesday, 72 hours (24x3) would require His resurrection between 3 PM and 6 PM on Saturday; but Jesus arose on the first day of the week! If He was buried Thursday, 72 hours would require His resurrection between 3 PM and 6 PM on Sunday!! Both views deny the Scripture that His resurrection was early in the morning on Sunday!!!
All 4 Gospels place His death on the day of "preparation"...well known by the Jews as referring to Friday. Examples of a "fraction of a day" as equal to one day are Gen.42:17-18; I Sam.30:12-13; I Kings 20:29; 2 Chron.10:5,12; Esther 4:16; 5:1. "Three days; 3 nights" was another way of saying "on the third day"...Matt.16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7,21,46; Acts 10:40; I Cor.15:4 OR after "three days"...Matt.26:61; 27:40,63; Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34; 14:58; 15:29; John 2:19-20. The Sadducees considered the day as occurring from "sunset to sunset" starting at about 6 PM.
John's account puts Jesus' death on Nisan 14 to fulfill Lev.23:5. He followed the Saducee's "sunset to sunset" rule that began the 14th Thursday evening ...the night before the crucifixion. These Temple authorities allowed Lambs to be killed on the afternoon of Thursday to accommodate the Pharisees who started the Day of Crucifixion on Friday at "sunrise", the 15th...instead of starting that day on Thursday, the 14th of their "sunset to sunset" view.
This agrees with the Jewish Idiom of "any part of the day" as standing for a whole day of 24 hours. I gave you the illustration of the fact that the Disciples went up on the mount of Transfiguration 6 days after Jesus had revealed that "some would taste death after seeing Him come in power (thru the Two Endtime Prophets). They were "tired" after making the ascent. They must have arrived a few hours after the 6 days ended as of 6 PM so that this was considered one extra day by Luke who was an accurate recorder
as a historian. If the count of 6 days was from 6 PM to 6 PM, another extra day would make it "about 8 days" if Jesus finished His discourse prior to 6 PM the week before they ascended the Mt. of Transfiguration.
My personal evidence for the Friday crucifixion is the fact that a countdown of 69 sets of "7" was based on 483x360-day-years which equal 173,880 days from Nisan 30 of BC 444 to Nisan 30 of AD 33. But there were 173,859 days on a calendar...21 days short of Nisan 30 [476x365.25; 444-1=443+33=476].
This puts the Year of His BIRTH in the fall of 2 BC and DEATH in the spring of AD 33 for which the www.starofbethlehemmovie.com gives irrefutable proof.
Now, subtracting the 21-solar-day shortage from Nisan 30 gives us Nisan 9 for the final countdown day on the calendar of 173,859 days from Nisan 30 of BC 444! If that day was Palm Sunday, NISAN 9, then Nisan 14 had to be FRIDAY!! This fulfilled Lev.23:15 for His DEATH five days "after" Zech.9:9 and Dan.26a were fulfilled for His acclamation as King...the Day "Messiah the Prince was hailed as King of the Jews"...the Day on which Jesus wept since they failed to recognize the "Day of His Visitation" as Prince!!! Luke 19:41-44.
Mel
Simply not true. The problem with all that math you just gave is that you are off on the time line when you start counting for the 69 weeks as well as when He was cut off.
By the way in that year there was two sabbaths in that week. One was a passover sabbath and one was the seventh day sabbath.
All that aside you have side stepped my question. How do you get three days and three nights out of a Friday crucifixion? Also you stated that the Lord could not have died on Wed. because he rose on the first day of the week. Where does the scripture say that? Also the scripture says After three days. (Matthew 27:63) “Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.”All that laid aside please show me how you get three days and three nights out of a Friday crucifixion?
Recently, I overheard a conversation in which a preacher was being gently rebuked by a friend for what he considered to be a "mishandling the Word of God." This preacher used a portion of a verse to support a position relative to the political arena. His preacher friend quickly pointed out that the verse had nothing to do with politicians but rather with false teachers.
I understand that each passage has but one literal "interpretation," but can have many different "applications." My question that I pose for discussion is simply this, "Does using an application of a verse instead of the literal interpretation constitute mishandling of the Word of God?"
freeatlast,
You deny the evidence that the last solar day (#173,859) from Nisan 30 of BC 444 occurred on Palm Sunday when Jesus fulfilled both Zech.9:9 and Dan.9:26! You need to show your evidence to disprove it!! Jesus had to die on Nisan 14
to fulfill Lev.23:5 and that day was exactly 5 days after Palm Sunday, Nisan 9!!!
Because of the difference between the Pharisaic and Sadducean views as to whether the day began at sunrise or sunset, it was allowed that counting a single day should allow any part of 24 hours to be considered a whole day! From His burial between 3 and 6 PM on Friday was Day #1; Saturday was Day #2 and from 6 PM Saturday to His resurrection early Sunday was Day #3!! That fact fits evidence for Nisan 9, Sunday, as Christ's "Day of Visitation" and Nisan 14 which alone, among all other calculations, agrees with Lev.23:5!!!
Now for the clincher:
"Humphreys and Waddington add a new factor which previous scholars had not included. In Acts 2:14-22, it was reported that the 'Moon would turn to blood and the Sun turn to darkness' at the time of the Resurrection. This observation also appears in the so-called 'Report of Pilate' which was written by Pilate to Emperor Tiberius. If this is taken as a lunar eclipse, then the Crucifixion can be dated exactly.
"Lunar eclipses were frequently described exactly this way, even verbatum, by contemporary historians. Predictions show that there was only one lunar eclipse visible from Jerusalem at the time of passover in period from 26-36 AD. It occurred on Friday April 3, AD 33. The Moon rose above the horizon already in the midst of eclipse and would have progressively 'turned to blood' as the eclipse continued".
Now please show that Palm Sunday, Nisan 9, did "NOT" end the countdown from Nisan 30 of BC 444 to the final day of 476x365.25 days!
If you fail to show my calculation is wrong, you might have a foot on which to stand!! Otherwise, your viewpoint allows no room for discussion!!!
Mel