Elect does not mean "saved at birth"

[webdog]

and by chapter 5 he is using the pronoun "we", feeling he has successfully reconciled the division in the church.

...or shifting the focus of his letter to his jewish brethern.

 

[mmetts]

True. He does that in earlier chapters though. On reflections, Romans 1 really paints the picture better than our words can. It gives an idea about what was going on.

 

[mmetts]

Regarding the OP:
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

God's foreknowledge wouldn't seem to bring salvation to an individual, only that God knows who will choose salvation and who will not. I'd say that the person still has to choose it. God chose to use me for His glory, but I didn't say "Your will be done Lord" at first... I tried to argue and fight him off for a few years first! Of course, I still have the choice to walk away from the faith. Only God knows all things.

Maybe... He chooses to love us (which is expressed by Christ) but we still need to choose to live for Him in acceptance of His gift if we want salvation.

 

[skypair]

Regarding the OP:
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

God's foreknowledge wouldn't seem to bring salvation to an individual, only that God knows who will choose salvation and who will not. I'd say that the person still has to choose it. God chose to use me for His glory, but I didn't say "Your will be done Lord" at first... I tried to argue and fight him off for a few years first! Of course, I still have the choice to walk away from the faith. Only God knows all things.

Maybe... He chooses to love us (which is expressed by Christ) but we still need to choose to live for Him in acceptance of His gift if we want salvation.

mmets, I enjoy your perspectives and hope your education will continue along those lines so you can get out front and pastor the flock!

Love your testimony, too.

skypair

 

[mmetts]

Thank you very much Skypair. I am greatly encouraged by your words!

 

[pinkcarnation]

posted by mmetts

Maybe... He chooses to love us (which is expressed by Christ) but we still need to choose to live for Him in acceptance of His gift if we want salvation.

Well said! Devoting our lives to Christ after accepting Him as our Savior!

Love you bunches,

Your momma

 

[mmetts]

posted by mmetts

Maybe... He chooses to love us (which is expressed by Christ) but we still need to choose to live for Him in acceptance of His gift if we want salvation.

Well said! Devoting our lives to Christ after accepting Him as our Savior!

Love you bunches,

Your momma

Hey MOMMA!!! I love you too!
But this is kinda uncool in front of the fellows... :tonofbricks:

 

[Dale-c]

Maybe... He chooses to love us (which is expressed by Christ) but we still need to choose to live for Him in acceptance of His gift if we want salvation.

THis is halfway true. This by itself is really false but this along with the fact that God gives us a new heart to WANT Him, then you could say it is totally true.

 

[pinkcarnation]

Sorry son (mmetts).

Love you bunches,

Your Momma

 

[skypair]

You seem to be using saved as a synonymn for justified, which is perfectly proper, BTW. But if you'd used justified in place of saved, maybe it would have been clearer.

Not that that would have necessarily changed Pinoy's objection, as I believe heis Primitive Baptist, and some PB's believe in eternal justification.

Russ makes a good point --- infants are justified according to innocence until they sin. Therefore, all infants who die go to heaven including those who, when resurrected, will not believe on Christ in the MK.

However, it is true that "elect" infants will live to be old enough to receive Christ during their lifetimes. This was already foreseen and predestined by God to happen.

skypair

 

[Rippon]

Matt 11:27-28 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. (28) Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest."

Behold the will of Jesus Christ is determining who will "know" the Father and Himself. Surely "all things" includes the salvation of men's souls, or do you believe Jesus wasn't telling the truth when He said "all things have been handed over to Me by My Father" and then in the next sentence speaks of those who "know" and those who do not know the Father.

Yes indeedy. You speak the truth. The ones who are conscious of their sins are the ones Christ has willed to reveal Himself to.

 

[kyredneck]

Yes indeedy. You speak the truth. The ones who are conscious of their sins are the ones Christ has willed to reveal Himself to.

.....so you've been thinkin' on this one for a while, eh?

 

[Rippon]

.....so you've been thinkin' on this one for a while, eh?

Ha,Ha. It's been a lot longer than 4 years! It's just that that Arminian spin on the passage has to be dealt with.

 

[psalms109:31]

Only those who listen and learn from the Father through Jesus will come. He will not reveal Himself to those who don't listen and learn. Those are the people who will come, not those who depend on their own understanding, but God. Praise Jesus for His words of life.