Election In Action

[Yeshua1]

Well the Apostle Paul sure understood didn't he... I Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying worthy of all acceptation, that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief. How sinful did Paul see himself to be... Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death. When I understand more fully my sinful nature that allows me to see greater Jesus Christ saving grace.

That was after God saved him, as before that fact, Paul would have been full of pride as being a keeper of the Law!

 

[tyndale1946]

That was after God saved him, as before that fact, Paul would have been full of pride as being a keeper of the Law!

I disagree... Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15: For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not: but what I hate, that do I.
16: If then I do that which I would not, I consent to the law it is good. I consent unto the law that it is good.
Now pay attention to the next verses
17: Now it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18. For I know that in me (that is in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21: I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22: For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24: O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

You are saying if I understand you right... That the action to sin causes the condition... According to Paul the sin in the flesh the condition or nature of man as it is sometimes called causes the sin. We are all the chief of sinner as Paul stated he also claimed weather we acknowledge that truth or not.

II Timothy 2:7 Consider what I have to say... And the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

 

[steaver]

The law of nature written in our hearts may condemn us at times but the conscience as part of a man is not perfect having lost that in the fall cannot be trusted. How many times as a child my conscience would tell me I did wrong but I would justify myself anyway. Why would I justify myself ? Because the Holy Spirit was not in the matter and I compared myself with men saying, I may have done wrong but who hasn't done wrong or, I may have done wrong but I'm better than most, 11 Cor 10:12. When the Holy Spirit enables you to see you have offended a thrice Holy God and broke his law in word, thought and deed and He can cast you into hell and be just doing so then this has a greater effect on you than a fallen conscience does.

idk, I must compare this to my own testimony/life. I was saved at age ten, yet often would sin and justify my sin in just the ways you described here, and I had the Holy Spirit in me.