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Electric Vehicles Or Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars? The Inflation Reduction Act Will Fuel Both

KenH

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"BMW is developing electric vehicles alongside those that run on fuel cells to sidestep fossil fuels. But its hydrogen pursuit could be the most consequential ever. The goal is to mass-produce hydrogen fuel cell cars by 2030.

Hyundai and Toyota are making similar moves. Hydrogen can run everything from vehicles to factories to power plants. In the case of cars, it is safer than gasoline, lighter than air, and easily maintained. And one hydrogen station can service 400 cars a day with 10-minute fill-ups.

“Irrespective of the time of year and the outside temperatures, the hydrogen fuel cell drive combines the best of both drive worlds: the locally emission-free mobility of an electric vehicle and the unrestricted suitability for everyday use, including short refueling stops that we are all familiar with from models with combustion engines,” says Jürgen Guldner, Head of BMW Group Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology.

Hydrogen-fueled cars have some advantages over EVs. They can run for 300 miles, and fueling up takes 10 minutes. EVs can go about 200 miles, and juicing up can take 45 minutes. EVs lose range in cold weather. But hydrogen cars do not. Most importantly, the exhaust gas from a hydrogen engine consists of pure water vapor. It is therefore emissions-free."

- rest at Electric Vehicles Or Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars? The Inflation Reduction Act Will Fuel Both (forbes.com)
 

Van

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Hydrogen as fuel is vaporware. The idea is to sidetrack the development of EV's. The idea is simply a "Trojan horse" for the fossil fuel industry.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Hydrogen vehicle fires are at least safer than electric vehicle fires.

Electric vehicles are a hazmat situation on wheels just waiting to ruin somebody's day.

Every time I see can't help but tense up.
 

KenH

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If governments would keep their noses out of it - like they should, but won't - it would be interesting to see how the automotive marketplace would evolve.
 

Cathode

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Hydrogen vehicle fires are at least safer than electric vehicle fires.

Electric vehicles are a hazmat situation on wheels just waiting to ruin somebody's day.

Every time I see can't help but tense up.

They got rid of the hydrogen buses here years ago because of the fires. People barely made it out alive. Think Hindenburg on wheels.

Spoke to a top ranking engineer, he reckons Hydrogen is dangerous and will remain dangerous.
 

JonC

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They got rid of the hydrogen buses here years ago because of the fires. People barely made it out alive. Think Hindenburg on wheels.

Spoke to a top ranking engineer, he reckons Hydrogen is dangerous and will remain dangerous.
Reading the Car and Driver article the safety factor is now on par with gas vehicles. It all is dependent on containment in an accident (think Pinto :Wink ).
 

KenH

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They got rid of the hydrogen buses here years ago because of the fires. People barely made it out alive. Think Hindenburg on wheels.

Spoke to a top ranking engineer, he reckons Hydrogen is dangerous and will remain dangerous.

' The safety authority also investigated any unforeseen aftershocks from the hydrogen system following a range of crash tests.

“Extra attention was also paid to the crash and post-crash safety of the hydrogen-powered Mirai,” said ANCAP, “with assessments revealing this fuel type had no effect on the Mirai’s inherent safety, helping to build consumer confidence.” '

- rest at Toyota Mirai hydrogen car earns five stars for safety - Drive
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Seems like diesel would be safer than gasoline, EV, and hydrogen.
Yes, diesel is best. Less combustible and requires more forces to act on it to make it "combustible" e.g pressure.

If I had to rank them Diesel > Hydrogen = Gas > Electric.

IMO Electric cars need to have a placard on them just like hazmat trucks. That way when I get on-scene to a vehicle fire I can tell right away if it's an electric or any other kind of vehicle and I instantly know what other resources I need to call in. Without a placard I'm supposed to just "know" which vehicles are electric or not.

"County, I'm on-scene to the vehicle fire. Let me just get the owners manual out of the glovebox of the burning car so I can see if it's electric or not"
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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They got rid of the hydrogen buses here years ago because of the fires. People barely made it out alive. Think Hindenburg on wheels.

Spoke to a top ranking engineer, he reckons Hydrogen is dangerous and will remain dangerous.

Hydrogen dissipates faster than gas which is the only reason it's not worse than gas on our response scale.

We rank hydrogen car fires roughly equivalent to gas car fires in terms of response. The exception would be if the hydrogen tank ruptured and began to fill the trunk creating a bomb as the gas became concentrated.

The big thing to watch on car fires isn't the fuel (unless it's EV), it's the car tires, the airbags, the springs on bumpers that weaken and everything else in a car that is plastic (made of oil) and burns like crazy.
 
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