electronic surveillance

Sorry, you didn't seem to.

It also reveres him as a holy man, just not the Holy Man. I don't understand why you get so upset that other religions exist.

You know I have not defended the anti-christ. I don't even know what you mean by that term - it is not the classical definition, is it?

There, that you got right. He is risen and people have the right to believe and disbelieve what they will.

No one is asking you to.

 

You bug them after getting a FISA warrant.

 

El_Guero, who is afraid of bugging the terrorists?

Phone calls are bugged illegally. The courts have ruled that phones are an extention of our homes with an expectation of privacy. This has already happened.

How do you distinquish between terrorists and nonterrorist citizens? Do you think the government should have carte blanche to bug phone calls of anyone who catches their attention or do you think there should be some process to determine probable cause? What happens if somewhere down the line we get a president who decides to monitor his political rivals? It has happened before, so shouldn't we have some kind of check on this power just in case it should happen again?

I am in favor of warranted electronic surveillence of suspected terrorists - suspected to be terrorists, not having to be known as such.

 

Yes, that is not the problem.

The problem is that we also have unwarranted surveillance of US citizens' phone calls by the US government.

No, all citizens, naturalized or native-born, have Constitutional rights - it is the basis of our nation.

What specifically is being monitored?

You haven't proven that disconnecting the reporting mechanism ruins the car - although I think it likely it will void your warranty.

If the fact that the cars are reporting back certain information to the manufacturer is disclosed to the purchasers and users of the product - what is the problem? If you don't want to disconnect the black box, buy a car without one. It's an informed choice you can make. Buy American.

 

What information do you think the black boxes in the automobiles are reporting?

Fine, as long as there is a warrant stating probable cause to suspect criminal activity is taking place.

A "bug" implies a secret listening device. It is not the case that the devices in the cars in the OP are secret or listening in the common sense of the word (ie. sound).

If you don't want a monitoring device in your car, buy one without it. That's pretty simple. Isn't it more patriotic to buy American anyway?

Huh? Yes, I think the government wiretapping US citizens without a warrant is a violation. The rest of who? Non-US citzens?

What freedom is it you think I am demanding for myself only?

So you hate America's Constitution and freedoms? Sounds vaguely familiar....

 

True enough, but the 4th Amendment says that citizens are protected from unreasonable searches by the government. The courts have held that private phone conversations come under that protection.

Foreign corporations are not "foreign powers" and there are articles concerning commerce.

For the third time, what information do you think these devices are transmitting? Foreign corporations are not legally considered foreign powers, nations are.

If you agree to the monitoring by knowingly buying the product (it is your responsibility to read the fine print and theirs to provide it), then you've waived your right not to be surveilled - the Constitution generally allows commerce between citizens and foreigners.

If you don't want the black box, don't buy one.

Who are you calling the enemy here? If the Constitution protects someone you consider to be "the enemy" then you would be disavowing it to violate that protection.

Because the American, in this case, is complaining about a device which theoretically improves the product which he voluntarily purchased and the foreigner sold it to him.

Seriously, what information about do you think the devices are transmitting?

 

A foreign corporation is not a "foreign power." Don't buy the product if you don't like what it does.

No, it's the large.

For the fifth time, what information do you think the car's black boxes are transmitting?

 

How do we know there are not tracking devices as well in these black boxes?

 

For the sixth time, what information do you think the car's black boxes are transmitting?

Well, yeah - the kid's a US citizen, who, as you say, is NOT a terrorist. What reason would you have for not treating him in a lawful manner? Why would you violate the Constitution as regards this guy?