electronic surveillance

I seem to recall that the Articles of Impeachment brought against President Nixon included impeachment for warrantless wiretaps and unauthorized surveillance. So much for Bush's theory that he the authority to do so. Nixon didn't, and Bush doesn't.

 

For the seventh time, what information do you think the car's black boxes are transmitting?

You didn't read the article you referenced, did you? I'll quote it for you:

You called him a non-terrorist yourself...so why would you want to treat him unlawfully and violate the Constitution?

A good part - the Bill of Rights - expected to defend us against our own overreaching government.

Except the assassins and seditionists - and, later, the successionists.

Liberties are in place for all citizens and most residents and visitors.

What has CSI got to do with this thread?

Or what Pogo said.

Foreign terrorists or the US non-terrorist? The Constitution should not be violated, the laws should be enforced with justice for all.

What do you mean by "exception"? On one hand, you seem to want to be able to violate some people's rights, while on the other, you seem to want to make them the exception to the laws.

I do not want to make exceptions to the rule of law - laws should apply equally according to how they are written (different laws and rights may apply to citizens than to foreigners).

 

Transference...

It is not true that I want your car bugged, I don't care one way or the other if you choose to buy one that has the device. If you don't want your car to have the black box, buy one without it. Your choice - unlike government surveillence where you do not have a choice and are not notified that it is taking place.

If you asked me to buy the product from you so you could do it, I might just say, "No, thanks." Hey, what information would you be collecting and why? (eight)

You are flat-out wrong. I want you to have all the protections the Constitution and US laws provide. I am not forcing you to buy a car with the device.

For the nineth time, what information do you think the car's black boxes are transmitting? This is a simple question.

 

Side note - it's interesting that the people who complain that I don't understand or that I got their stance wrong are the very ones who refuse to answer questions or explain.

 

Yep, it's because the "tin foil hat" crowd has no substance to their wild assertions. Does anyone really think that standard automobiles transmit personal information, or any information, to someone? Yeah, you can buy LoJack to track your car if stolen, but that is something YOU have to add aftermarket. On board computers DO collect engine performance faults. This is not transmitted, but stored in the car so the mechanic can see what happened when something doesn't work right. But I doubt Ford cares about when EG goes to the local Kroger to buy a gallon of milk.

 

Computers are the best thing that has happened to car improvements in the last twenty years. Computers are a very cheap way of making the engine run much more efficiently and allowing the factory or shop to gather sensor information.

By the way, there is no positioning information that goes to the car's operating computer. It has no idea where the car is at nor does it care. It is simply to adjust fuel and air mixture based on many sensors located in the intakes and outputs (exhaust).

Usually, the anti-lock brakes are operated by a seperate 32 bit computer that measures wheel movement 100 times per second, which is fast enough to decide whether the tires are skidding or still maintaining road contact.

New computers built into SUV's are used to adjust the actual balance of the vehicle to keep it stable in a drastic maneuver. It takes input from accelerometers (little devices that measure acceleration and deceleration) and then controls air-jacks or struts very quickly in an attempt to prevent roll-over or other loss of control.

If you ask me, computers are a GREAT addition to automobiles and they are also a "cheap" addition which provide much more than their cost in benefits to the owner of the car. There is NO secret stuff hidden there. There may be data stored before an accident, but this is the only possible data, besides engine condition. This is no different than a black-box on an airplane to store information to help prevent new accidents from occurring. If your not at fault, then what are you worried about? If you are at fault, then you need to fess up and have your insurance pay for the other guy. Its the Christian way.