Elevation of women in the church and in society

[Rufus_1611]

Uh, Rufus? MP is a man.

Riiiight.

And, I'm sure you love women, as long as they stay in their place.

I love women, especially Godly women in their God instructed roles.

And, if you don't think men beat their wives and use Bible verses about submission as their justification, then you're just plain deluded.

I've never encountered it and I've never researched the matter. The only data on this thread presented to make that case, came from MP who cited PBS who used a female, short-haired, lesbian "reverend" as an expert on the matter. I remain unconvinced that it's some pervasive problem.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Indeed they do, CC. In fact, when I was a news reporter, I covered several sad stories of just such abuse, and have read many more.

You know, if one were to take this thread and do a search and replace of the word "women" with "men" or "blacks", perhaps the bigotry would jump out at these guys. The fact is that, sadly, in some baptist circles, it is still acceptable to keep women 2nd class. In fact, one poster here calls for the "subjugation" of wives. His word. Heartbreaking really.

You must be desperate to, once again, try to turn this into some sort of racist thing.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

You must be desperate to, once again, try to turn this into some sort of racist thing.

No, it's a sexist thing, which is just as ugly. I thought you were done.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Riiiight.

And this is the guy who talked about ad hominem? Now sarcastic ad hominems. I will say that although I am a man, I am proud to stand beside my sisters in their battle against people like you, as they continue seeking full equal status in society.

I love women, especially Godly women in their God instructed roles.

Love 'em in their place...barefoot, pregnant and subjugated.

I've never encountered it and I've never researched the matter. The only data on this thread presented to make that case, came from MP who cited PBS who used a female, short-haired, lesbian "reverend" as an expert on the matter. I remain unconvinced t
hat it's some pervasive problem.

Never encountered it, so it doesn't exist. Hahaha


Don't you ever get tired of hanging yourself with your own words?

 

[Rufus_1611]

No, it's a sexist thing, which is just as ugly. I thought you were done.

I was done trying to reason with you, I'm still open to commenting.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I was done trying to reason with you, I'm still open to commenting.

To quote you, "riiiight".

You were speaking directly to me and my post. You cannot reason with the unreasonable, that is a fact.

 

[ccrobinson]

I've never encountered it and I've never researched the matter. The only data on this thread presented to make that case, came from MP who cited PBS who used a female, short-haired, lesbian "reverend" as an expert on the matter. I remain unconvinced that it's some pervasive problem.

You see what you want to see, Rufus.

Many books have been written about this very subject of so-called Christian men who batter their wives. Go to your favorite search engine and type in "battered wives" and you'll see the results, which are too numerous to list here.

I will say that although I am a man, I am proud to stand beside my sisters in their battle against people like you, as they continue seeking full equal status in society.

Amen.

 

[Rufus_1611]

And this is the guy who talked about ad hominem? Now sarcastic ad hominems. I will say that although I am a man, I am proud to stand beside my sisters in their battle against people like you, as they continue seeking full equal status in society.

Full equal status in society. If you believe this to be a Biblical objective what are your proof-texts?

Love 'em in their place...barefoot, pregnant and subjugated.

I don't like that "subjugated" word and I didn't use it. The Bible calls for women to submit or be obedient to their husbands. It also calls for men to love their wives as Christ loved the church and in a proper marriage these matters will already have been addressed and there will be no necessity for subjugating some one. In the event that a wife is walking in opposition to the Lords instruction then I would think she would be led by the counsel of a Godly man and the counsel of scripture to conform to the Lord's will.

Never encountered it, so it doesn't exist. Hahaha

That's not what I said. Provide some evidence that doesn't include your lesbian friends and I'll take a look.

Don't you ever get tired of hanging yourself with your own words?

 

[Rufus_1611]

You see what you want to see, Rufus.

Many books have been written about this very subject of so-called Christian men who batter their wives. Go to your favorite search engine and type in "battered wives" and you'll see the results, which are too numerous to list here.

As I indicated, I have not researched this matter and the only detail provided to make the argument was a secular new source using lesbians as experts. There is no need to research "battered wives" as it does nothing to change the Biblical model for the roles of the two genders.

Amen.

 

[Cutter]

It's quite evident that we can not reason together. I'm done, grace and peace to ya.

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

It is obvious that it would be in our best interest at this time, Bro. Rufus, to follow your advice.

 

[EdSutton]

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

It is obvious that it would be in our best interest at this time, Bro. Rufus, to follow your advice.

With respect to all, I haven't seen a lot of "out and out" "heresy" posted (although one poster's 'interpretation' of 'subjugation' comes close, IMO), but I have seen a lot of fairly well unsupported opinions (by all) with some of them built on the 'proof-texting' of a few "key" Scriptures, on this thread. :tear:

However, Look Up, Brother! (© W. A. Criswell). We are already on page 30 with closure of the thread emminent.


Ed

 

[Cutter]

It's obvious Bro. Ed, there are some on this site that hold views in direct conflict with the Word of God. Sad that some do not see this, sadder still that some won't admit it!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

It is obvious that it would be in our best interest at this time, Bro. Rufus, to follow your advice.

I agree 100%. Since a heretic is by definition of the Greek word a schismatic, one who needlessly causes divisions, I agree that we should not debate with them. There are some here who seem to relish in causing divisions and fights.

 

[Bro. Williams]

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

It is obvious that it would be in our best interest at this time, Bro. Rufus, to follow your advice.

Who is the heretick here you refer to? That is a strong word and statement, and one I like to use as well if it fits.

But if you must make such a claim to one, then can you at least give some specifc examples instead of just a general accusation?

Would it not be better to list the reasoning and specific examples so we would know exactly what heresy is being referred to?

 

[Cutter]

Bro. Williams, with all due respect, you must read only the last post or two before you post. If you go back a couple of pages and read what I said in context as to where it is positioned I think you will be enlightened.

 

[Bro. Williams]

no need to guess, i read them all. it seems some specifics would be be due with such a cry of heresy.

 

[Hardsheller]

Tiny came close to actually responding to my questions. Thank you for that. Can anybody copy and paste each question and answer it from your heart with some consideration rather than being a comedian. Thanks ahead of time.

You know it's probably hard for these women to take a man seriously who uses "Casper the Ghost" as his avatar!

 

[Cutter]

Hey, whatcha got against Casper? :wavey:

 

[Hardsheller]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[npetreley]

Hey, whatcha got against Casper? :wavey:

I have nothing against Casper, myself. But you better watch out for the self-righteous thought police. The Bible says we should not consult the dead, and portraying a ghost in friendly terms could encourage people to consult the dead.