he would answer that God have her revealtions JUST for the SDA, but where in the Bible did God sent revealtions thru Apostles/Prophets not meant for ALL of the people of God to follow and heed?
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Ellen G. White False Prophecies
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he would answer that God have her revealtions JUST for the SDA, but where in the Bible did God sent revealtions thru Apostles/Prophets not meant for ALL of the people of God to follow and heed?
BobRyan
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Originally Posted by Yeshua1
What specific one regarding doctrine/practices did God give her for the church?
ZERO
Didn't see it.
Check out the 28 Fundamental Beliefs - none of them are based on the writings of Ellen White. The only one sort-of-connected is the one that declares our acceptance of 1Cor 12 and 1Cor 14 and Eph 4 - where we affirm the continuation of the Biblical spiritual gifts - and also the Rev 12 and Rev 19 statements on the saints at the end time having that Spirit of Prophecy. So again - it has no reference to some specific statement by Ellen White to accept 1Cor 12 - but it points to her ministry as an example of that doctrine in real life.
in Christ,
Bob
What specific one regarding doctrine/practices did God give her for the church?
ZERO
Didn't see it.
Check out the 28 Fundamental Beliefs - none of them are based on the writings of Ellen White. The only one sort-of-connected is the one that declares our acceptance of 1Cor 12 and 1Cor 14 and Eph 4 - where we affirm the continuation of the Biblical spiritual gifts - and also the Rev 12 and Rev 19 statements on the saints at the end time having that Spirit of Prophecy. So again - it has no reference to some specific statement by Ellen White to accept 1Cor 12 - but it points to her ministry as an example of that doctrine in real life.
in Christ,
Bob
BobRyan
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Paul answers the question in 1Cor 14.
Tongues is the spiritual gift given for all - even unbelievers - as a sign.
But prophecy can only be a witness and a sign to the church - the fellowship that holds to the same doctrine.
Otherwise - as we can see in the scenario of a methods rejecting a Bapticostal "prophet" who claims that a message vision from God has confirmed the fact that infant baptism is merely man-made tradition and is not the fulfillment of the Biblical doctrine on Baptism.
The methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Anglican... would say "ah-ha! there is Bible proof that your prophet is false for infant baptism is affirmed in the Bible" - simply because they have not studied out that Bible doctrine to find that only believer's baptism is valid in the Bible.
Yet for the Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Anglican... it would be considered "proof" that the "bapticostal prophet" was a false prophet.
There is no shortcut around that point. Which is why I typically focus on the study of Bible doctrine when on this board.
in Christ,
Bob
BOTH the office of the prophet and the Gift to prophesy were evelatory in function, as the persons so gifted were moved upon by god to utter/give forth message directly from Him...
canon/revealtion closed, NO MORE been given since John died, so ellen White is bogus!
BobRyan
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No support AT ALL in scripture for the wild claim that all prophets from Moses to John wrote the Bible. Not one text claiming that wild idea.
In fact in 1Cor 14 "EACH ONE has a revelation" none writing the canon of scripture.
In the Gospels - Anna the prophet - writes no scripture.
Philips 4 daughters - prophets - write no scripture.
Agabus in the NT - a prophet - writes no scripture.
No book of "Nathan".
No book of "Deborah".
No book of "Hulda"
NO test of a prophet of the form "yes - but is your name the Apostle John?" as some wildly speculate.
Even in 1John 4:1-4 when John himself in his old age writes the church and asks them to test the prophets not one word about "yes - then ask them - is your name the Apostle John?" as some wildly speculate.
I think we all knew that -- right?
in Christ,
Bob
In fact in 1Cor 14 "EACH ONE has a revelation" none writing the canon of scripture.
In the Gospels - Anna the prophet - writes no scripture.
Philips 4 daughters - prophets - write no scripture.
Agabus in the NT - a prophet - writes no scripture.
No book of "Nathan".
No book of "Deborah".
No book of "Hulda"
NO test of a prophet of the form "yes - but is your name the Apostle John?" as some wildly speculate.
Even in 1John 4:1-4 when John himself in his old age writes the church and asks them to test the prophets not one word about "yes - then ask them - is your name the Apostle John?" as some wildly speculate.
I think we all knew that -- right?
in Christ,
Bob
SovereignMercy
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All apostles and prophets were Jews and they are no more. Notice the use of the past tense in the passage below.
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
EGW could not be a prophetess. She was not a Jew and they are no more. Scripture was complete for almost two millenia before she came along.
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
EGW could not be a prophetess. She was not a Jew and they are no more. Scripture was complete for almost two millenia before she came along.
revelation from God sinced with Apsotle John, as NO more additional revealtion would be given to the Church, as the canon are complete, and God stated ALL that he intended for us to have!
BobRyan
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In 1Cor 12 - Paul does not say "prophecy is just for Jews" - and we both know it.
In 1Cor 14 Paul says to the gentile church that they are to desire earnestly spiritual gifts - but especially that you may prophesy".
Paul does not add "but only if you are a Jew" - and we both know it.
Playing games and simply "making stuff up" may be a form of entertainment for some posters here - but I do not find it helpful.
I prefer the sola scriptura model of testing all doctrine.
I am funny that way.
The Prophets in the gentile church of Corinth where "when you meet together EACH ONE has a revelation" - were not Jews - and we both know it.
making up rules to prop up your speculation is not going to hold up well against a sola scriptura test.
Also all can easily see that prophets like Anna, Hulda, Agabus, Philip's 4 daughters -- all the members of the gentile church of Corinth - wrote no scripture. And there is nothing in the Bible that says that everything they ever said or wrote made its way to scripture.
And we both know it.
in Christ,
Bob
Funny is right. :laugh:
I actually spewed my coffee all over my laptop when I read that whopper! :laugh:
Ellen was a sheister just like Charles Russel Taze and Joseph Smith.
You do realise that the Book of Acts was a transistion historical account of the era between the Old Covenant passing away, and the Church coming under the new One, right?
And that once we had the full canon of the scriptures penned by Apostles to us, had NO MORE need for either prophets/apostles right?
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
The book of acts is written by Luke.
He does not say "when I lay this pen down - God is not allowed to give any more messages through the Biblical method of 1Cor 12 - the gifts of the Spirit and Paul's instruction in 1Cor 14:1 can be faithfully ignored".
I think we can all see that point by now - when being serious about the actual Bible.
As much as people may wish to make such things up (about 1John 4:1-5 and 1Thess 5:19-20, and Eph 4:11-14, and 1Cor 14:1 all being invalid in our modern age) - that sort of game does not stand up to a sola scriptura test.
in Christ,
Bob
The holy Spirit ceased to gave any revalatory offices/gifts after the bible, as God speaks no more to us apart from that !