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End of days
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Obama isn't the antichrist.
The Lord Jesus said the Father does know the moment the world will end, but that man and the angels don't know.
The signs that the Lord gave of His second coming and the subsequent end of the world are very general in nature and really could be seen as happening in every generation. This was by design because the Lord wanted us to be watchful for His coming.
The Lord Jesus said the Father does know the moment the world will end, but that man and the angels don't know.
The signs that the Lord gave of His second coming and the subsequent end of the world are very general in nature and really could be seen as happening in every generation. This was by design because the Lord wanted us to be watchful for His coming.
God the Father knows EVERYTHING--including the end of time. Speculating about who will be the anti-Christ is a waste of time.
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. I John 2:18
If it was the "last hour" evident by the MANY antichrists around in AD 95, I'd say we are close to the "last minute" as these false demigods abound more and more today.
BTW, we must draw clear distinction from THE antichrist (the Beast in Revelation) and those who simply have the spirit of the antichrist. The Reformers thought the currect pope in Rome was THE antichrist and it changed from pope to pope - it was the office, not the individual. They were wrong.
If it was the "last hour" evident by the MANY antichrists around in AD 95, I'd say we are close to the "last minute" as these false demigods abound more and more today.
BTW, we must draw clear distinction from THE antichrist (the Beast in Revelation) and those who simply have the spirit of the antichrist. The Reformers thought the currect pope in Rome was THE antichrist and it changed from pope to pope - it was the office, not the individual. They were wrong.
freeatlast
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No I do not think he does. The antichrist has much more power then this man will ever have.
ReformedBaptist
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The papacy is still the Antichrist.
freeatlast
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I am not disagreeing nor am I agreeing about a pope being a antichrist, but I do find it a little ironic that many of those who dogmatically hold this view have clamed that every Pope that has come about in the last 100 years is the antichrist only to have egg on their face. I wonder just how many times it takes these people being wrong before they see it and admit it? I remember when the JW's claimed that Jesus would come by a certain date. They at least learned their lesson after about three times of that and now do not set a date. Perhaps there is a lesson here.
I am not disagreeing nor am I agreeing about a pope being a antichrist, but I do find it a little ironic that many of those who dogmatically hold this view have clamed that every Pope that has come about in the last 100 years is the antichrist only to have egg on their face. I wonder just how many times it takes these people being wrong before they see it and admit it? I remember when the JW's claimed that Jesus would come by a certain date. They at least learned their lesson after about three times of that and now do not set a date. Perhaps there is a lesson here.
Yup, this is true. This is also a larger problem with Pretrib Dispensationalism in general; antichrist prediction and date setting have always been proven wrong. The Pope is not the antichrist. Nor is Obama, or Tony Blair.
freeatlast
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What do you mean that the Father does not know the time of the end of the world?
As for how long it will be until the end of the world I can tell you based on scripture that it will be at least 1007 years from today. And if the rapture does not take place today then it will be at least 1007 years from tomorrow and so on.
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Lastday
Freeatlast,
Are you interested in what Jesus said about "knowing when the end is near"?
You write:
believers will know when there are no more than 1290 days remaining until the Son of Man completes
the "3.5 times that include His coming with the Saints to destroy the Beast". Jesus knew the "3.5 times"
of Dan.7:25-27 and Dan.12:4-11 refer to the "End of Time".
IMO, the time of the rapture is not relevant to the "End of Time" unless it occurs "on the Day Christ comes with the Saints to destroy the Beast"! Too often we are guilty of mixing the two questions...unless they occur on the same Day!! We should keep the two subjects separate from each other until we know the "End is Near"...and that must wait until the Antichrist (Beast) begins his rule over all the nations for 1260 days; 42 months or 3.5 years!!!
Mel Miller
Freeatlast,
Are you interested in what Jesus said about "knowing when the end is near"?
You write:
When Jesus gave us signs of the "nearness" to the End, He must have had Dan.12:11 in mind. Because
believers will know when there are no more than 1290 days remaining until the Son of Man completes
the "3.5 times that include His coming with the Saints to destroy the Beast". Jesus knew the "3.5 times"
of Dan.7:25-27 and Dan.12:4-11 refer to the "End of Time".
IMO, the time of the rapture is not relevant to the "End of Time" unless it occurs "on the Day Christ comes with the Saints to destroy the Beast"! Too often we are guilty of mixing the two questions...unless they occur on the same Day!! We should keep the two subjects separate from each other until we know the "End is Near"...and that must wait until the Antichrist (Beast) begins his rule over all the nations for 1260 days; 42 months or 3.5 years!!!
Mel Miller
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freeatlast
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you are trying to respond to an answer that I gave with an answer that has nothing to do with what my answer was dealing with. My response to the OP had nothing to do with the timing of the rapture or with the timing of the earthly kingdom. It had to do with the OP's statement on the "end of the world" and my response was correct based on scripture.
Lastday
Freeatlast,
You write that your
Psalms11 was thinking about the sign of Antichrist at the end of time.
I don't think he meant to contradict that "not even the Father knows".
My response is that you should not include the "timing of the rapture" with what occurs 1007 years from now!
It is obvious Psalm11 was not denying truth or talking about the "world that ends" 1007 years after the rapture!!
Trying to correct another believer about the "end of days" concerns the coming of Antichrist...not what happens
after 1007 years at the "end of the world"!!!
Mel
Freeatlast,
You write that your
My concern is that we stick to the specific subject under discussion.
Psalms11 was thinking about the sign of Antichrist at the end of time.
I don't think he meant to contradict that "not even the Father knows".
My response is that you should not include the "timing of the rapture" with what occurs 1007 years from now!
It is obvious Psalm11 was not denying truth or talking about the "world that ends" 1007 years after the rapture!!
Trying to correct another believer about the "end of days" concerns the coming of Antichrist...not what happens
after 1007 years at the "end of the world"!!!
Mel
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freeatlast
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you are talking gibberish. I stand on my reply.
Lastday
Freeatlast,
One sentence I wrote does sound like gibberish...
Psalms11 asks about a sign of the "end of days" as it relates to Antichrist!
I correct the gibberish by stating I don't think he meant to contradict Jesus that "only the Father knows"!!
My thought to you is to connect the "sign of Antichrist standing in the holy place" with that of definitely "knowing the end of days is near"!!! Matt.24:33.
Psalms11 is not referring to the "end of the age to come"! That indeed is 1000 years after the end of this age!! We need to keep the different terms in mind, it is true; but 1007 years from now is not germane to his question!!!
Mel
Freeatlast,
One sentence I wrote does sound like gibberish...
Psalms11 asks about a sign of the "end of days" as it relates to Antichrist!
I correct the gibberish by stating I don't think he meant to contradict Jesus that "only the Father knows"!!
My thought to you is to connect the "sign of Antichrist standing in the holy place" with that of definitely "knowing the end of days is near"!!! Matt.24:33.
Psalms11 is not referring to the "end of the age to come"! That indeed is 1000 years after the end of this age!! We need to keep the different terms in mind, it is true; but 1007 years from now is not germane to his question!!!
Mel
freeatlast
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Like I said my response was to the OP as given and I stand on what I wrote.
Lastday
Psalms11,
You use the phrase "end of days" seemingly with reference to the "end of the world". The "end of the world"
may refer to the end of this age or to the end of the age to come...but not to the ages belonging to eternity.
The Apostle Peter incorporates the "end of this age as well as the end of the age to come" in writing about
the "day of the Lord and the dissolution of all things"...including the end of this present creation and even of death itself.
2 Pet.3:10-12. Peter and Revelation explain this duality to reveal that God's "patience with mankind" over a period of 1000 years is like our patience that lasts for just one day. The 2nd death comes at the end of 1000 years following the "End of Days" that include more than the 1260 days of Rev.11:3 and Rev.12:6.
Daniel was concerned about the "end of days" that include 1235 days...75
days beyond the end of 1260 days in which the Two Prophets demonstrate
God's Kingdom Power and protect those who "flee into the desert" when Satan is cast out of heaven to "persecute the woman and the rest
of her offspring". The 7th Trumpet will sound that God's wrath has come and the "appointed kairos-time to judge and reward the saints and
to destroy the destroyers of earth"...as of the Feast of Tabernacles...just 3 days into the final 75 days.
The "End of Days" projected by Dan.12:12-13 goes 72 days beyond the Feast
of Tabernacles to Hanukkah! It's the "Feast of Dedication" week for the Millennial Temple just like the dedication of the 2nd Temple occurred on Kislev 24 (9th Month; Haggai 2:18-20)!! So the Millennial Temple will be dedicated 72 days after Tishri 15 in the final week of Kislev after Christ returns and restores His former people "after 2 days...on the third day"!!!
Hosea 5:15 to 6:2.
Mel Miller
Psalms11,
You use the phrase "end of days" seemingly with reference to the "end of the world". The "end of the world"
may refer to the end of this age or to the end of the age to come...but not to the ages belonging to eternity.
The Apostle Peter incorporates the "end of this age as well as the end of the age to come" in writing about
the "day of the Lord and the dissolution of all things"...including the end of this present creation and even of death itself.
2 Pet.3:10-12. Peter and Revelation explain this duality to reveal that God's "patience with mankind" over a period of 1000 years is like our patience that lasts for just one day. The 2nd death comes at the end of 1000 years following the "End of Days" that include more than the 1260 days of Rev.11:3 and Rev.12:6.
Daniel was concerned about the "end of days" that include 1235 days...75
days beyond the end of 1260 days in which the Two Prophets demonstrate
God's Kingdom Power and protect those who "flee into the desert" when Satan is cast out of heaven to "persecute the woman and the rest
of her offspring". The 7th Trumpet will sound that God's wrath has come and the "appointed kairos-time to judge and reward the saints and
to destroy the destroyers of earth"...as of the Feast of Tabernacles...just 3 days into the final 75 days.
The "End of Days" projected by Dan.12:12-13 goes 72 days beyond the Feast
of Tabernacles to Hanukkah! It's the "Feast of Dedication" week for the Millennial Temple just like the dedication of the 2nd Temple occurred on Kislev 24 (9th Month; Haggai 2:18-20)!! So the Millennial Temple will be dedicated 72 days after Tishri 15 in the final week of Kislev after Christ returns and restores His former people "after 2 days...on the third day"!!!
Hosea 5:15 to 6:2.
Mel Miller
Very good brother, of course he is, the office anyway. Of course I'm Amillennial in my Eschatology.