Absurd deflection, nonsensical to boot.
Salvation is the final step in the process. Your doctrine (utterly false) has pre-salvation steps such as unconditional election.
Pay no attention to these absurd posts of Falselogy.
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Entering the Kingdom
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Salvation is the final step in the process. Your doctrine (utterly false) has pre-salvation steps such as unconditional election.
Pay no attention to these absurd posts of Falselogy.
Yet more nonsense, devoid of rational thought.
Matthew 23:13 says those "entering" were prevented. Just read it folks.
Then I said false teachers, generically, hinder entry. Some hear the falsehoods but still gain entry.
Finally, a regurgitation of the utterly false claim God compels our choice to trust in Christ. Scripture says through His witnesses, God begs the lost to be reconciled.
"Salvation is the final step in the process"?
If that is correct, then are you, or any of us, able, at this present time, to declare we are or have been saved?
By your teaching, can you know, for a fact, that God considers your own personal faith to be righteous? Or, are you unsure? Is it possible that your faith doesn't meet God's standard and you will ultimately fail God's assessment process?
Van, apply your own teaching to yourself and tell us where you land with God.
You tell us that "salvation is the final step in the process."
Yet another misrepresentation of the biblical view. Shameless.
I have explained this verse probably a dozen times, yet not one Falselogy advocate as acknowledged an understanding. Go figure.
BTW, if God wills to save those He credits with righteous faith, and someone goes astray due to false teachings, will God necessarily credit that "other" faith as righteous faith?
None of the Falselogy advocates will answer that question. Why. Because they deny God credits our faith as worthless as it may be.
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LOL, talk about an off topic effort to change the subject. Good grief.
It is not my teaching, it is what scripture plainly says.
I sing blessed assurance with gusto.
When God takes an individual out of being "in Adam" and transfers them spiritually into Christ's spiritual body, they are made alive together with Christ. Thus a spiritually "dead" individual is made spiritually alive by the washing of regeneration (regeneration = made alive). Since in an unholy sinful state we are separated from our holy God, the "washing" removes whatever was "unholy" such as what God held against us.
The OT saints did not immediately enter the kingdom when they obtained approval by faith. No, they had to wait in "Abraham's bosom" to be made perfect after Christ died on the cross.
In Matthew 23:13 Jesus says some individuals were "entering the kingdom" but were prevented from going in.
Thus a process, or sequence of steps, is utilized in order to gain entry. We know the final step, God transfers the person from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. And we know, from 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that our being set apart (the sanctification by the Spirit) is the action God uses to make His choice of individuals for salvation.
Therefore if God credits our "faith in the truth" as righteous faith, He bestows His gracious blessing of salvation by setting us apart spiritually in Christ.
The OT saints did not immediately enter the kingdom when they obtained approval by faith. No, they had to wait in "Abraham's bosom" to be made perfect after Christ died on the cross.
In Matthew 23:13 Jesus says some individuals were "entering the kingdom" but were prevented from going in.
Thus a process, or sequence of steps, is utilized in order to gain entry. We know the final step, God transfers the person from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. And we know, from 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that our being set apart (the sanctification by the Spirit) is the action God uses to make His choice of individuals for salvation.
Therefore if God credits our "faith in the truth" as righteous faith, He bestows His gracious blessing of salvation by setting us apart spiritually in Christ.
Tell us when this happens. You stated that salvation is the last step. Thus, by your admission, salvation has not yet occurred. When you stand before God, how will you know that God considered and credited your faith as righteous? Is it possible he will not credit your faith as righteous but instead consider it to be filthy rags?
How can you be assured? By your own admission "salvation is the final step in the process." Can it be that God will look on your person and not credit your faith as righteous? How can you actually have any assurance at all? You may not, by your own theology, have a credited faith that is righteous. Your faith may be false since the process is not yet complete, by your own theology.LOL, talk about an off topic effort to change the subject. Good grief.
It is not my teaching, it is what scripture plainly says.
I sing blessed assurance with gusto.
Please quote the answer provided.
If you knew scripture, you would not need to ask what my worthless faith was to God before He credited it as righteous faith.
Did I say salvation has not yet occurred? Nope so yet another material false statement. Our positional sanctification has occurred. Our progressive sanctification is occurring. And our ultimate sanctification will occur. Duh
When God takes an individual out of being "in Adam" and transfers them spiritually into Christ's spiritual body, they are made alive together with Christ. Thus a spiritually "dead" individual is made spiritually alive by the washing of regeneration (regeneration = made alive). Since in an unholy sinful state we are separated from our holy God, the "washing" removes whatever was "unholy" such as what God held against us.
The OT saints did not immediately enter the kingdom when they obtained approval by faith. No, they had to wait in "Abraham's bosom" to be made perfect after Christ died on the cross.
In Matthew 23:13 Jesus says some individuals were "entering the kingdom" but were prevented from going in.
Thus a process, or sequence of steps, is utilized in order to gain entry. We know the final step, God transfers the person from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. And we know, from 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that our being set apart (the sanctification by the Spirit) is the action God uses to make His choice of individuals for salvation.
Therefore if God credits our "faith in the truth" as righteous faith, He bestows His gracious blessing of salvation by setting us apart spiritually in Christ.
The OT saints did not immediately enter the kingdom when they obtained approval by faith. No, they had to wait in "Abraham's bosom" to be made perfect after Christ died on the cross.
In Matthew 23:13 Jesus says some individuals were "entering the kingdom" but were prevented from going in.
Thus a process, or sequence of steps, is utilized in order to gain entry. We know the final step, God transfers the person from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. And we know, from 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that our being set apart (the sanctification by the Spirit) is the action God uses to make His choice of individuals for salvation.
Therefore if God credits our "faith in the truth" as righteous faith, He bestows His gracious blessing of salvation by setting us apart spiritually in Christ.
So...God has already credited your faith as righteous. Yet you stated: "salvation is the final step in the process."
How is it that your faith is credited as righteous, but your salvation is not yet secure and you are not yet elect?
How can you actually know since everything is yet in the future by your own theology?
Van, this is your second copy and paste. At the end you state:
"Therefore if God credits our "faith in the truth" as righteous faith, He bestows His gracious blessing of salvation by setting us apart spiritually in Christ."
That's a mighty big if. How do you actually know...if...God credits your faith as righteous faith? Have you ever had unrighteous faith? You state that the last process is salvation, but how do you actually know your faith is righteous faith and not unrighteous faith?
Yet another attempt to change the subject and engage in absurdity. This is all they have, folks.
Did I say once saved always saved? Yes. So obfuscation on display. Why all these deliberate false statements are not challenged is mind boggling.
So, stop changing the subject and answer your own assertions. I am bringing up what you have asserted so you can explain it in your own life. Why are you changing the subject?
How has God specifically credited your faith as righteousness before saving you, since you declare that salvation is the last part of the process.
And how many off topic efforts to change the subject and avoid discussing the actual position presented in the OP have you posted?
This poster denies that God credits our faith, as worthless as it may be, as righteous faith. Yet he seems unwilling to acknowledge truth. Did God credit Abraham's faith as righteous faith? Yes. See Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-25.
Is one of the blessings bestowed by way of credited faith justification? Yes.
This is a truly wonderful example of Van's thought and theological knowledge
Back to sanity for a moment. In Britain (and in America too, I think) the Government, police and judiciary do not allow (permit, suffer) motorists to drive at more than 30 mph in a built-up area. However, that does not mean that nobody does it.
Nor BTW does He say, "You are not of My sheep because the Scribes and Pharisees won't let you enter the sheep-pen."
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So the Scribes and Pharisees were having the final say over who was saved and who wasn't. God had to wait to see whether they would allow someone to enter His kingdom before He could get anyone in.
Right. So if the Scribes and Pharisees actually prevent people from entering, and false teachers only hinder them, the Scribes and Pharisees must be true teachers. Who knew?
Back to sanity for a moment. In Britain (and in America too, I think) the Government, police and judiciary do not allow (permit, suffer) motorists to drive at more than 30 mph in a built-up area. However, that does not mean that nobody does it.
He does indeed, but unless God draws them irresistibly they will not be reconciled (John 3:19 etc.), not because God refuses them but because they have wicked, unbelieving hearts. But those whom God draws, He draws irresistibly. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give them eternal life" (John 10:27). But note the preceding verse. "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. as I said to you." He does not say, "You are not of My sheep because you do not believe."
Nor BTW does He say, "You are not of My sheep because the Scribes and Pharisees won't let you enter the sheep-pen."
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Did I say people have the "final say" over who is saved or not saved? Nope so yet another deliberate falsehood.
Can people choose the wrong path, then later "come to their senses" and embrace God? Of course.
What does Romans 9:16 say, does salvation depend on the person who wills or does things to be saved? Nope
This is all the Falselogy advocates post, disinformation to hide the unbiblical nature of Falselogy.
This takes me back to the first question I asked. Who is preventing people from entering the kingdom? If it is the Scribes and Pharisees, how do they not have the final say? If 'people choose the wrong path, the later "come to their senses" and embrace God' why cannot the S & Ps continue to prevent them? If Romans 9:16 is true, which of course it is, then the S & Ps cannot prevent people from entering the kingdom and you need to stop saying they can.
Your Vanology is up the creek without a paddle.