Entering the Kingdom

[37818]

Monergism is not a biblical doctrine . . .

Not the regeneration before faith version.

 

[Silverhair]

Not the regeneration before faith version.

You have got to add more to your comments as they make no sense. What is your other version?

 

[percho]

Monergism: the theological doctrine that regeneration is exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit {Irresistible grace}

As you said in your post "We believe" God does not do that for us and God save us because we believe.

Monergism is not a biblical doctrine but rather a calvinist construct to support their theology.

Does, being freely given, by God, the gift of the Spirit of Truth, have anything to do with, belief of truth?

John 14:16,17 YLT and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age; the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
2 Thes 2:13 YLT And we -- we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, that God did choose you from the beginning to salvation, in sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth, --- < and to belief of truth... καὶ πίστει ἀληθείας
John 6:29 YLT Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'

 

[percho]

In the Jewish apocalyptic literature Paradise,..., came to be conceived of as one of the abodes of the righteous after death. It was in the third heaven, where God’s throne was situated.

NT.-Thus we find the background of the conceptions which appear in the three passages in which the word occurs in the NT-
(1) In Luk_23:43, as in the Books of Adam and Eve, Paradise is conceived of as a place of intermediate abode, though whether in heaven or in Sheol is not clear.
(2) In 2Co_12:4 we have a combination of the Rabbinical conception of Paradise as denoting mystic contemplation and the trance-state, with the conception of Paradise as in the third heaven and the abode of God.
(3) In Rev_2:7 as in 4 Ezra Paradise is presented as a reward in the future age for the righteous.
S. H. Hooke.
DICTIONARY OF CHRIST AND THE GOSPELS
JAMES HASTINGS

Acts 2:31 YLT having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again [resurrection] of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

According to above, by the resurrection
Christ was not left into Hades
and by the resurrection
the flesh of Christ did not see corruption.

I ask was Christ resurrected from Hades or from Paradise where the tree of life is found in the midst thereof? According to the Word of God.

 

[Silverhair]

Does, being freely given, by God, the gift of the Spirit of Truth, have anything to do with, belief of truth?

John 14:16,17 YLT and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age; the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
2 Thes 2:13 YLT And we -- we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, that God did choose you from the beginning to salvation, in sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth, --- < and to belief of truth... καὶ πίστει ἀληθείας
John 6:29 YLT Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'

The Spirit of Truth {Holy Spirit} is only given to those that have trusted in God.

 

[Silverhair]

Acts 2:31 YLT having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again [resurrection] of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

According to above, by the resurrection
Christ was not left into Hades
and by the resurrection
the flesh of Christ did not see corruption.

I ask was Christ resurrected from Hades or from Paradise where the tree of life is found in the midst thereof? According to the Word of God.

In the NKJV we find Hades in 11 verses none of which indicate Christ was in Hades. Although we are told that He went to Hades to preach to the spirits. 1Pe 3:19

He was in the ground/tomb so His body was resurrected from there.

The bible tells us that for believers to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. 2Co_5:8 That would be in heaven/paradise. Since He told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day that would indicate to me that both their human spirit's what to heaven at death.

We do not have a clear biblical text so we have to draw conclusions from the text we have. While Christ's body was in the ground/tomb and it was resurrected from there I think His spirit returned from heaven at His resurrection. This is just speculation on my part and I could be wrong and thus stand to be corrected.

 

[kyredneck]

The kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of His beloved Son are all entered by the sovereign power of God alone.

WRONG!

5 Yea, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue; and in your virtue knowledge;
6 and in your knowledge self-control; and in your self-control patience; and in your patience godliness;
7 and in your godliness brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be not idle nor unfruitful unto the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he that lacketh these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.
10 Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:
11 for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Pe 1

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0 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
24 Strive to enter in by the narrow door: for many, I say unto you, shall seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.
29 And they shall come from the east and west, and from the north and south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13

 

[percho]

In the NKJV we find Hades in 11 verses none of which indicate Christ was in Hades. Although we are told that He went to Hades to preach to the spirits. 1Pe 3:19

He was in the ground/tomb so His body was resurrected from there.

The bible tells us that for believers to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. 2Co_5:8 That would be in heaven/paradise. Since He told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day that would indicate to me that both their human spirit's what to heaven at death.

We do not have a clear biblical text so we have to draw conclusions from the text we have. While Christ's body was in the ground/tomb and it was resurrected from there I think His spirit returned from heaven at His resurrection. This is just speculation on my part and I could be wrong and thus stand to be corrected.

NKJV Acts 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.


What in the world does that say?

Does it say is or does it say and? Is your body of flesh and blood your earthly house of tabernacle? What about your house from heaven, not made with hands? Is it a body? To be without your house from heaven, would you be considered to be found naked?
When will one put on their house from heaven, incorruptible?

Does the following from Rom and 2 Cor speak of the same?

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 2 Cor 5:4,5
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Luke 23:46

What did the spirit of him do for the living soul Jesus and his flesh and blood body?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man [that which had come from the dust of the ground] became a living soul.
Lev 17:11 Darby - for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Is it the breath of lives from God that is in the blood that gives life to the flesh making it, living soul?

What was Jesus while the spirit of him was in the hands of the Father? Dead"

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18

When the spirit of Christ went to the hands of the Father was Christ made dead to the flesh and three days and three nights later made alive to the Spirit?

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[Silverhair]

NKJV Acts 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

What in the world does that say?

What did I say in my post? What do you think "not left in Hades" means? As I said His body was in the ground but His soul was not. What does Luke 23:43 tell us about what happened to Christ's soul and when did it happen?

Does it say is or does it say and?

See above

Is your body of flesh and blood your earthly house of tabernacle?
What about your house from heaven, not made with hands?
Is it a body?
To be without your house from heaven, would you be considered to be found naked?

Read 2 Corinthians 5:1-4

When will one put on their house from heaven, incorruptible?
At othe the redemption of our body Romans 8:23

Does the following from Rom and 2 Cor speak of the same?

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 2 Cor 5:4,5
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

As it say we await the redemption of our bodies.

and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Luke 23:46

What did the spirit of him do for the living soul Jesus and his flesh and blood body?

See post #46

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man [that which had come from the dust of the ground] became a living soul.
Lev 17:11 Darby - for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Is it the breath of lives from God that is in the blood that gives life to the flesh making it, living soul?

The breath of life is carried by the blood so make of it what you will.

What was Jesus while the spirit of him was in the hands of the Father? Dead"

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18

When the spirit of Christ went to the hands of the Father was Christ made dead to the flesh and three days and three nights later made alive to the Spirit?

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Yes Christ was dead in the tomb and was made alive by the Spirit.

 

[percho]

What did I say in my post? What do you think "not left in Hades" means? As I said His body was in the ground but His soul was not. What does Luke 23:43 tell us about what happened to Christ's soul and when did it happen?
See above


Read 2 Corinthians 5:1-4





As it say we await the redemption of our bodies.




See post #46



The breath of life is carried by the blood so make of it what you will.



Yes Christ was dead in the tomb and was made alive by the Spirit.

Luke 23:43 does not say a thing about the soul of Christ. You are using deduction based upon an erroneous concept, not the Word of God. IMHO
Acts 2:31 and 2:27 says something about the soul of Christ.

Is the redemption of the body when one is clothed in his house from heaven?

 

[Silverhair]

Luke 23:43 does not say a thing about the soul of Christ. You are using deduction based upon an erroneous concept, not the Word of God. IMHO
Acts 2:31 and 2:27 says something about the soul of Christ.

Is the redemption of the body when one is clothed in his house from heaven?

So from the biblical text can we find where Christ's soul may have been?

We know that His soul was not left in Hades.
Act 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. NASB
His soul was not left in Hades

Act 2:27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. NASB
You will not leave my soul in Hades

The bible tells us He was in paradise.
Luk_23:43 And He saidG3004 to him, "TrulyG281 I sayG3004 to you, todayG4594 you shall be with Me in ParadiseG3857." NASB
today you shall be with Me in Paradise

2Co_12:4 was caughtG726 up into ParadiseG3857 and heardG191 inexpressibleG731 wordsG4487, whichG3739 a manG444 is not permittedG1832 to speakG2980. NASB
was caught up into Paradise

Rev_2:7 'He who hasG2192 an earG3775, let him hearG191 whatG5101 the SpiritG4151 saysG3004 to the churchesG1577. To him who overcomesG3528, I will grantG1325 to eatG2068 of the treeG3586 of lifeG2222 whichG3739 is in the ParadiseG3857 of GodG2316.' NASB
is in the Paradise of God

So we see from the text of scripture that for believers one is caught up to be in the paradise of God. So my deduction is based on a correct use of the word of God. IMHO.

Perhaps this will clear up your confusion
2Co 5:2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. NLT

As you can see the verse is a reference to bodies not houses. We will be given new bodies just as Christ was given a glorified body in Heaven.

1Co 15:40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. NASB

 

[Van]

I see the usual suspects have once again blown up a thread dealing with entering the kingdom.

To go over this same ground once again:
1) Monergism is simply the truth that God alone saves sinners, sinners to not earn, merit, or other wise contribute to their salvation by good works.

2) Monergism does not mean sinners have no ability to will and to work for salvation. All it means is that our salvation does not depend on our righteous efforts, but on God alone.

3) Calvinists deny God credits the faith of some believers, like Abraham, as righteousness. This is based on their false belief a sinner is unable to seek God and believe in Christ. Thus sinners are able to strive to enter the kingdom, but this does not result in entry, as the translocation is accomplished by God's grace alone.

 

[Van]

When God takes an individual out of being "in Adam" and transfers them spiritually into Christ's spiritual body, they are made alive together with Christ. Thus a spiritually "dead" individual is made spiritually alive by the washing of regeneration (regeneration = made alive). Since in an unholy sinful state we are separated from our holy God, the "washing" removes whatever was "unholy" such as what God held against us.

The OT saints did not immediately enter the kingdom when they obtained approval by faith. No, they had to wait in "Abraham's bosom" to be made perfect until after Christ died on the cross.

In Matthew 23:13 Jesus says some individuals were "entering the kingdom" but were prevented from going in.

Thus a process, or sequence of steps, is utilized in order to gain entry. We know the final step, God transfers the person from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. And we know, from 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that our being set apart (the sanctification by the Spirit) is the action God uses to make His choice of individuals for salvation.

Therefore if God credits our "faith in the truth" as righteous faith, He bestows His gracious blessing of salvation by setting us apart spiritually in Christ.

In summary it can be said that those set apart "believed into the kingdom!" But the action is God's alone, it does not depend upon the person who wills or works to be saved, but only on the monergistic action of God.

 

[kyredneck]

5 Yea, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue; and in your virtue knowledge;
6 and in your knowledge self-control; and in your self-control patience; and in your patience godliness;
7 and in your godliness brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be not idle nor unfruitful unto the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he that lacketh these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.
10 Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:
11 for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Pe 1

20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
24 Strive to enter in by the narrow door: for many, I say unto you, shall seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.
29 And they shall come from the east and west, and from the north and south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Heb 4

 

[Van]

The idea that our faith "punches our ticket" and allows entry if we believe the right things in the right way is totally bogus. As an unsaved person, all of works of righteousness (such as our faith) is a filthy (worthless) rag to God. (Titus 3:5, Isaiah 64:6)