Yes, I can. You use verses like John 14:15,21,23, etc. for obedience required for salvation, when reality these verses tell of Jesus speaking to His disciples in the upper room. His disciples didn't need to be saved at that time for they were saved already. The verses don't speak of salvation. You take scripture out of context.
Jesus did not call Christians hypocrites, only the Pharisees and teachers of the law. You are an accuser of the brethren. I say the Bible says to obey Jesus, and you call me names, and this is debating the truth to you. What evilness to accuse me of not obeying Jesus.
Jesus called many people hypocrites, including believers.
Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
--This is part of the sermon on the mount, delivered to his disciples and directed to Christians.
By accusing me in the way that you just did, you broke the BB rules, falsely accused me, called me Satan, and should earn an infraction for doing so. Stop calling people Satan!! (an accuser of the brethren)
What I said is true. You are a hypocrite. You tell others to keep the commands of Jesus that you yourself cannot keep. Isn't that true? I gave you an example, and you came up with the lame excuse that you weren't rich. That is lame, really lame. You don't have to be rich. Just go and sell all that you have, give to the poor, and go and follow Jesus.
Keep his command, not make excuses for not keeping his commands!
You do not understand those scriptures. You try to nullify God’s word by bringing up sins you think I have committed. Jesus says to obey him, he tells us not to sin, but DHK goes against that truth because of sins I may do.
Apparently you don't understand the Scripture. The story I brought up was the story of the rich young ruler as recorded in Mark 10. I said nothing about your sins whatsoever at this point. I simply said he came to Jesus asking What must I do to have eternal life. That is what he said. There is nothing personal in that against you.
Jesus was speaking to a rich man. I am not rich. Jesus knew that man would not give up his riches to follow him. Jesus knows there is nothing more important to me than Him. Jesus was on earth, in front of the rich man, and the rich man did not give up everything to be with God. You, DHK, have no understanding.
1. You are rich compared to 90% of the world's population, especially all the 3rd world nations. You probably don't know what real poverty is, and have never even come close to starvation. Compared to the great majority of India, many countries in Africa, you are exorbitantly wealthy. You have your own computer, even your own blog and enough to support it, and much much more.
2. Does Jesus also know that you won't give up all that you have?
3. Who in the Bible did Jesus expect any less?
Matthew 4:19: Jesus said unto them, "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men."
And immediately the left their fishing nets and followed Jesus. That was Peter and Andrew. They left their fishing occupations, family, everything, and went and followed Jesus. They were fishermen.
Matthew 4:21-22 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James
the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them. And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.
--Then James and John left their occupation of fishing. They left everything with their father, and their father in the ship, and followed Jesus.
Matthew 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.
--Matthew, a tax-collector, immediately followed Jesus, leaving all of his money on the table.
Luke 21:2-4 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but
she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
--Here is a poor widow, someone that really did live in poverty. She gave all that she had. She gave it all. Have you done that?
What are the commands of Christ:
Luke 9:23 And he said to
them all, If any
man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 14:26 If any
man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people
unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
These are only some of the commands of Christ. Only the last one is addressed to an unsaved person. Have you obeyed the rest of them? Have you forsaken all and followed Christ?
I have eternal life. You do not know the Truth.
You don't practice what you preach. You tell people that they can't have eternal life unless they obey the commands of Jesus. But you don't keep the words of Jesus. I have given an entire list of the words/commands of Jesus, and you haven't kept them, have you? Why should people believe you if you are a hypocrite and don't keep the commands of Christ yourself??
You try to nullify God’s Word by your lack of understanding. You do not even see how flawed your beliefs are. You argue falsely that I should give everything for the poor in order to have eternal life, yet you do not even believe that yourself.
I do believe these commands Moriah. I sincerely believe them. The difference between your beliefs and mine is this:
You believe such commands of obedience are necessary for salvation.
I believe such commands of obedience are necessary for discipleship.
You believe that "obedience" is necessary for salvation.
I believe that obedience is a result of salvation.
I can honestly say that I have obeyed these commands, for I have forsaken all that I have, even sold everything, and have followed Jesus, going to another land, leaving everything behind. I have obeyed him. That is what discipleship is all about. It is what the Great Commission is all about. It is the heart of missions.
You have proven that Jesus has not revealed himself to you. If you knew Jesus, than you would know that Jesus says to obey his teaching, and this would not offend you to hear anyone say it. You would not attack people when they say, “Jesus says for us to obey.”
Jesus never says to an unsaved person to obey him such as you quote in John 14:21. Those commands are given only to Christians.
You have proven that you do not know Jesus when you do not understand that not everyone is rich. Jesus knew the rich man would not give up all for Jesus that he would walk away from God on earth, who was standing in the flesh right in front of him.
Even the widow gave all that she had though she lived in poverty. Anyone can give. In fact, anyone can give all that they have. One does not have to be rich to give.
If you knew Jesus, then you would know that there are scriptures telling those who are wealthy in this world to share their material possessions.
That is a perversion of Scriptures. Jesus never taught for only the wealthy to give.
If you knew Jesus, than you would know that the word of God says parents are to save for their children. With your unreasonable false doctrine, no saved parents would have anything to give to their children, and there would be no person with material possessions to share! Again, you have no understanding.
This is a terrible conclusion from you, and everyone can see how many times you have called me unsaved. That is not a good answer. Anyone can give, anyone. Even a child can give something. Your answer is childish.
