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Ephapax, "Once for all". A crucial word for Christology

asterisktom

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You deny that its the same Jesus, as He arose bodily physically resurrection, and forever more shall be the God Man, Yahweh in glorified human flesh form!

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Heb. 13:8

You think that Jesus has to still be physical to be the "same Jesus", right? And my denying that He is now physical must mean that I am denying that He is the same Jesus.

But then you must believe, like some cultists do, that Jesus was always physical, even in eternity past. Do you believe that? If you do, then, according to you, you also do not believe that He is the same Jesus He is now than what He was before the Incarnation.
 

asterisktom

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You deny that its the same Jesus, as He arose bodily physically resurrection, and forever more shall be the God Man, Yahweh in glorified human flesh form!

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Heb. 13:8

You think that Jesus has to still be physical to be the "same Jesus", right? And my denying that He is now physical must mean that I am denying that He is the same Jesus.

But then you must believe, like some cultists do, that Jesus was always physical, even in eternity past. Do you believe that? If you do, then, according to you, you also do not believe that He is the same Jesus He is now than what He was before the Incarnation.

Think of it another way. A christian dies and is buried. Centuries pass. His physical body is totally dissolved into atoms that went elsewhere. When he rises up, is he the same person, or someone else. He is the same person, of course. This shows that "sameness" resides, not in the body, but in our soul or spirit.

Jesus Christ was always spirit. For a short while He was also in physical form in order to rescue those in physical form, Heb. 2:14:

"Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,"
 

JesusFan

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"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Heb. 13:8

You think that Jesus has to still be physical to be the "same Jesus", right? And my denying that He is now physical must mean that I am denying that He is the same Jesus.

But then you must believe, like some cultists do, that Jesus was always physical, even in eternity past. Do you believe that? If you do, then, according to you, you also do not believe that He is the same Jesus He is now than what He was before the Incarnation.

Think of it another way. A christian dies and is buried. Centuries pass. His physical body is totally dissolved into atoms that went elsewhere. When he rises up, is he the same person, or someone else. He is the same person, of course. This shows that "sameness" resides, not in the body, but in our soul or spirit.

Jesus Christ was always spirit. For a short while He was also in physical form in order to rescue those in physical form, Heb. 2:14:

"Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,"
Same body Jesus died with was same one physically and bodily risen up, and he will have that same body forever more, as he is God in human flesh, and our bodies shall be patterned after his own, as we will also by physically resurrectedand glorifed!

Your view akin to JW, as jesus died physical, ten rose again spiritual form, and had invisible second coming event
 

asterisktom

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Same body Jesus died with was same one physically and bodily risen up, and he will have that same body forever more, as he is God in human flesh, and our bodies shall be patterned after his own, as we will also by physically resurrectedand glorifed!

Your view akin to JW, as jesus died physical, ten rose again spiritual form, and had invisible second coming event

You missed my point entirely. Never mind.
 
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