Esau I have Loved Less

[canadyjd]

It is a very misused verse.

The main issue, IMHO, is that context is ignored. The passage refers to God's action in his creating of a people (choosing Jacob....the "lesser son" by custom).

We know that God blessed Easu, that God did not hate Easu in terms of emotion or even action in general.

But in terms of creating His people for His purpose, God chose Jacob.

We see this type of language in other passages stating that God did evil.

You are absolutely correct that this is a much misused passage.

You are correct that Romans 9:13 is about God creating people for His purpose, but it isn’t limited to Israel. He also created Pharaoh for His purpose.

AND…. Paul says just a few verses later that God created specific people for the purpose of demonstrating the riches of His mercy…. “Even us”… meaning Christians.

So, yes, Romans 9 very clearly teaches the sovereignty of God in electing specific people to salvation.

peace to you

 

[37818]

They in Matthew 7:23 did not meet the condition set in verse 21, . . . that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Just because you say it doesn’t make it true.

I have focused on scripture in context. You have focused on insults, which is always the response of those that cannot address scripture in context.

peace to you

You have FAILED to show what I have clearly shown from the Bible in the OP, to be wrong!

Your continued MISUSE of this passage in Romans shows that you are only interested in pushing your FALSE beliefs on God electing the "elect" to salvation, when this passage is 100% NOT saying anything about this!. It is clearly God PREFERRING one person over the other. Period!

 

[37818]

When I say “unconditionally” elect I’m referring the fact there are no conditions placed on the person by God by which God notices or approves or by which the person “earns” such attention and then salvation.

Salvation is a work of God, start to finish, according to His sovereign mercy.

peace to you

Not of works is a condition, see post #22.
Esau I have Loved Less

 

[canadyjd]

You have FAILED to show what I have clearly shown from the Bible in the OP, to be wrong!

Your continued MISUSE of this passage in Romans shows that you are only interested in pushing your FALSE beliefs on God electing the "elect" to salvation, when this passage is 100% NOT saying anything about this!. It is clearly God PREFERRING one person over the other. Period!

I’m only interested in understanding scripture in context. You are only interested in yelling and insults.

You are not interested in dialog so I’m not interested in attempting to dialog with you.

I wish you well

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

They in Matthew 7:23 did not meet the condition set in verse 21, . . . that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

This passage has nothing to do with God’s choice in election. Notice they claim to have done all sorts of good things.

Notice Jesus says “…. I never knew you…”

peace to you

 

[37818]

This passage has nothing to do with God’s choice in election. Notice they claim to have done all sorts of good things.

Notice Jesus says “…. I never knew you…”

peace to you

What part of "doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven," doesn't apply and why?

 

[canadyjd]

What part of "doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven," doen't apply and why?

Jesus isn’t talking about being elect to salvation in that passage. He is talking about those that do the will of His Father seeing the Kingdom of Heaven.

If you only consider that passage scripture, you could clearly see a works based salvation in that passage.

If you look a little further, Matthew 11:27, Jesus tells us no one knows the Son but the Father and no one knows the Father but the Son and those to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Again, we see God actively choosing who will will know God based on the will of God alone.

Again, the folks from Matthew 7 are told “.. I never knew you” before they are cast out. Salvation is about being in a right relationship with God. If a person is in such a relationship, they will have God Holy Spirit indwelling which enables them to do the will of God.

peace to you

 

[37818]

Jesus isn’t talking about being elect to salvation in that passage. He is talking about those that do the will of His Father seeing the Kingdom of Heaven.

Denial.

 

[37818]

If you look a little further, Matthew 11:27, Jesus tells us no one knows the Son but the Father and no one knows the Father but the Son and those to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

1 John 5:9-13.

 

[37818]

Again, we see God actively choosing who will will know God based on the will of God alone.

Titus 1:2. 1 John 5:9-13

 

[37818]

the folks from Matthew 7 are told “.. I never knew you” before they are cast out. Salvation is about being in a right relationship with God. If a person is in such a relationship, they will have God Holy Spirit indwelling which enables them to do the will of God.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And what would that will be?

 

[37818]

. . . being elect to salvation . . . .

Titus 1:2. 1 John 5:9-13

 

[canadyjd]

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And what would that will be?

This is the will of God, that you believe in Him that He has sent.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Denial.

Just looking at the context.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

We have moved away from the OP in the replies

 

[kyredneck]

You are only interested in yelling and insults.

Yes, @SavedByGrace is going to give himself an aneurism if he doesn't get his CDS under control.