Eschatological View

[Allan]

I'm still not sure what historicist means?

Historic simply refers to that which was 'historically' a mainline view of the Church during various times or at all times, BUT it can also be used to describe an early view that has changed over time.

Example. Both Amil and Pre-mil can be said to be historic but there is a distinction as to when they were historic. Pre-mil held for the first 3 centuries and Amil began as a predominantly Church held view in the mid 4th.

However another example is this:
The pre-mil (rapture before the Mill-Kingdom) held to a Post Trib view or that the believers would be raptured at the end of the Tribulation. However what most hold today is an adaptation of the Historic view with a Pre and mid rapture view as just some examples. This view is known as a Dispensational Pre-millennialist view or for short Dispensationalism.

 

[Jerome]

preterist=past
historicist=present
futurist=future

 

[MB]

HI D.A.S.
You said this was the first futurist;
Francisco Ribera (First Futurist)
I never heard of him before so just when was this suppose to have happened?
The reason I ask is that there is a document that has been dated to around 300 AD that speaks directly of the pretrib rapture not to mention scripture it self. Would you like a copy of it?
MB

 

[Allan]

preterist=past
historicist=present
futurist=future

Good post Jerome, when I looked at Beth's post I thought she was saying 'Historic'.

I would like to make it clear though for others that there is a difference between the terms "Historic" and "Historicist", and Jerome placed a good and concise definition with regard to Eschatological views. The 'historic' term has been stated by me, D.A.S, and Pastor Larry as the views place historically as a predominantly held in the Church.

 

[Beth]

Ah, ok

Historic simply refers to that which was 'historically' a mainline view of the Church during various times or at all times, BUT it can also be used to describe an early view that has changed over time.

Example. Both Amil and Pre-mil can be said to be historic but there is a distinction as to when they were historic. Pre-mil held for the first 3 centuries and Amil began as a predominantly Church held view in the mid 4th.

However another example is this:
The pre-mil (rapture before the Mill-Kingdom) held to a Post Trib view or that the believers would be raptured at the end of the Tribulation. However what most hold today is an adaptation of the Historic view with a Pre and mid rapture view as just some examples. This view is known as a Dispensational Pre-millennialist view or for short Dispensationalism.

Ok, thank you, Allan, and also Jerome!

Beth

 

[OldRegular]

Many amillennialists, including me, hold the idealist view of the Book of Revelation; that is, they generally regard the book as setting forth eternal truths concerning the conflict between good and evil and that the imagery of the book has no particular relation to any historical events.

 

[GordonSlocum]

Adherents:

Historicist
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Martin Luther
John Calvin
William Tyndale
John Wycliffe
Philip Melanchthon
John Wesley
Charles Wesley
Charles Spurgeon
Matthew Henry
John Owen
George Whitfield
Jonathan Edwards
Isaac Newton
John Knox
John Foxe
Albert Barnes
John Huss
Roger Williams (First Baptist In America)
Ana-Baptists
Waldenses (Oldest Church Denomination)
London Baptist Confession
Westminster Confession
D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
Charles Hodge
David Steele
Edwards Bishop Elliott

Futurist
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God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit
All the Major and Minor Prophets
King David
All the Psalmist
Moses

All the disciples
Paul
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John MacArthur
Billy Graham
George Muller
D.L. Moody
Hal Lindsey
Adrian Rogers
David Jeremiah
Francisco Ribera (First Futurist)
John Nelson Darby
Tim LaHaye
Charles Stanley
Lewis Sperry Chafer
Chuck Swindoll
Additions:
John Walvoord
Ed Hindson
Thomas Ice
Jerry Falwell
Richard Lee
Jack Van Impe
Normal Geisler
Gary Habermas
Dr. John Ankerberg
Mrs. Kay Arthur
Dr. Mark Bailey
Dr. Paul Benware
Dr. Ron Bigalke, Jr.
Dr. Charles Blair
Dr. Dave Breese
Mr. Ray Brubaker
Dr. Howard Bixby
Dr. Joseph Chambers
Rev. J. R. Church
Dr. Mal Couch
Dr. Larry Crutchfield
Dr. Robert Dean, Jr.
Mr. Martin DeHaan
Dr. Jimmy DeYoung
Dr. Timothy Demy
Dr. Lambert Dolphin
Dr. Charles Dyer
Dr. Thomas Edgar
Dr. Paul Enns
Dr. John Feinberg
Dr. Thomas Figart
Dr. Harold Foos
Mr. Gordon Franz
Dr. Gary Fraizer
Mr. Arno Froese
Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Dr. Norman Geisler
Mr. Mike Gendron
Mr. Steven Ger
Dr. Kenneth Gillming
Mr. Phillip Goodman
Dr. Gary Gromacki
Dr. Robert Gromacki
Dr. Kenneth Hanna
Dr. John F. Hart
Dr. Mark Hitchcock
Mr. Zane Hodges
Dr. H. Wayne House
Mr. Dave Hunt
Mr. W. Terry James
Dr. David Jeremiah
Dr. Elliott Johnson
Dr. Manfred Kober
Dr. Woodrow Kroll
Dr. David Lanier
Dr. Harry Leafe
Dr. David Allen Lewis
Dr. Steven Lewis
Dr. Robert Lightner
Dr. Hal Lindsey
Dr. Jobe Martin
Dr. John Master
Dr. Richard Mayhue
Dr. Thomas McCall
Dr. Steven McAvoy
Mr. Elwood McQuaid
Mr. Paul Van Noy
Dr. William Grant Nelson
Dr. Chuck Missler
Rev. John Nieder
Dr. John Niemela
Dr. David Noebel
Dr. Charles L. Pack
Dr. Paige Patterson
Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost
Mr. Bill Perkins
Rev. Donald Perkins
Mr. Mark Piland
Dr. Earl Radmacher
Dr. Ron Rhodes
Dr. Charles Ryrie
Dr. Renald Showers
Dr. Lonnie Shipman
Dr. Larry Spargimano
Dr. Mike Stallard
Dr. Gerald Stanton
Dr. Steve Sullivan
Dr. Hilton Sutton
Dr. John Sweigart
Dr. Paul Lee Tan
Dr. Robert Thomas
Dr. Stanley Toussaint
Dr. Elmer Towns
Mr. Joe Van Koevering
Dr. Jerry Vines
Dr. Robert Wilkin
Dr. Harold Wilmington
Dr. John Witmer
Dr. Roy Zuck
Dr. Tim LaHaye
Dr. Thomas Ice
Dr. Ed Hindson
Dr. James Combs
Dr. Grant Jeffrey
Dr. Randall Price







Preterist
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R.C. Sproul
J. Barton Payne
Luis de Alcazar (First Preterist)

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[GordonSlocum]

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[EdSutton]

I didn't see this post already which surprised me a little. It was inevitable so here it is.

FTR, I'm pretty sure I recall some threads mentioning this, in my three years on the BB.

BTW, welcome to the Baptist Board. :wavey:

And incidentally, I don't normally vote in the polls, and will not do so here, either.

But I will offer one bit of 'friendly advice' in your approach.

Namely, that you might wanna' park the "chip" elsewhere, rather than your shoulder.

Ed

 

[GordonSlocum]

A Message By Dr. Thomas Ice

On March 1, 2009 Dr. Thomas Ice delivered the following message: Will post the address as soon as I can it is down at this time

 

[DeafPosttrib]

I am amill and idealist.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[GordonSlocum]

On March 1, 2009 Dr. Thomas Ice delivered the following message: Will post the address as soon as I can it is down at this time

Here is the address: Enjoy

http://trbc.org/new/christianresources/media_player.php?id=554&speed=hi