• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Eschatology

T

Thomas Helwys

New Member
What are your views?

This is one area in which I am undecided, except for one thing: I am definitely NOT a dispensationalist. I believe the church is the center of history and God's purpose, not the nation of Israel.
 
Thinkingstuff

Thinkingstuff

Active Member
Thomas Helwys said:
What are your views?

This is one area in which I am undecided, except for one thing: I am definitely NOT a dispensationalist. I believe the church is the center of history and God's purpose, not the nation of Israel.
Click to expand...

I'm in agreement and I will add I hold an Amillennial view.
 
R

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
I am pre-trib. pre-millenial but I am not a typical dispensationalist. Neither am I dogmatic on eschatological views with the exception that Christ will literally return. Anything else is just absurd and heretical.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
There's merit in all four positions of Idealism, Preterism, Historicism, and Futurism, IMO. (whew, all those 'isms')

By 'Futurism' I DO NOT include the Dispensational heresy.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
webdog

webdog

Active Member
Site Supporter
kyredneck said:
There's merit in all four positions of Idealism, Preterism, Historicism, and Futurism, IMO. (whew, all those 'isms')

By 'Futurism' I DO NOT include the Dispensational heresy.
Click to expand...
To call dispensationalism heresy is as stupid as it gets.
 
R

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
...the Apostolic Full-Preterists have been equally demeaning in their personal attacks upon anyone that disagrees with them. I should know, having made several efforts to engage them in a civil intellectual discussion of their views."


...Apostolic Full-Preterists do not take kindly to the disproving of their pet points. Their ire usually is shown in a ridiculing attack that mocks, insults, and demeans those that disagree. Rather than to intellectually defend their position, their preferred method is to “intimidate or anger” anyone that dares to challenges their doctrine."


http://preteristheresy.blogspot.com/2008/12/rabid-left-wing-preterists.html
 
webdog

webdog

Active Member
Site Supporter
Thomas Helwys said:
What are your views?

This is one area in which I am undecided, except for one thing: I am definitely NOT a dispensationalist. I believe the church is the center of history and God's purpose, not the nation of Israel.
Click to expand...
This is the kind of pride that has swept into the church (not you, the teaching we are the focal point). We as a church are grafted in, we are not the natural branches. I don't know if its an unknown anti semitism that has crept into our teachings, but Israel (true Israel) is what all history points to. We as gentiles have been blessed by His grace in being included with the NATURAL branches.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
webdog said:
.... We as a church are grafted in, we are not the natural branches.......
Click to expand...

And herein lies the basic error of the dispensational heresy, there is no longer TWO, there is only ONE people of God. The Church is NOT just a 'parenthesis', a 'glitch' in the scheme of things.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10:16

having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; Eph 2:15

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 10:12

where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all. Col 3:11

There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13

If/when the 'natural branches' are ever grafted back in, it will be to that which they were broken off from, and that is THE CHURCH OF CHRIST of the covenant of grace.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
R

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
kyredneck said:
And herein lies the basic error of the dispensational heresy, there is no longer TWO, there is only ONE people of God. The Church is NOT just a 'parenthesis', a 'glitch' in the scheme of things.
Click to expand...
So who is it that believes it is just a "glitch"? Never heard that before. I can say that that is not dispensational doctrine.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Is it so hard for you to recognize the synonymy of " The Church is NOT just a 'parenthesis', a 'glitch' in the scheme of things."
 
R

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
kyredneck said:
Is it so hard for you to recognize the synonymy of " The Church is NOT just a 'parenthesis', a 'glitch' in the scheme of things."
Click to expand...

It appears to me that you are misusing the word "glitch". "Glitch" and parenthesis are not near the same thing. Maybe you do not understand the meaning but either way the use of the word "glitch" is in error.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top