Eternal or kingdom Salvation Mt. 24:13

[fear of the lord]

I deleted my first comments because I have yet to figure out how to properly quote.

 

[fear of the lord]

Well, it could be proved if you believed scripture. In John's account, Jesus tells us numerous times that He would send the Spirit/Comforter -- that He would be IN us, not just WITH us.

John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Are these the scriptures that support your indwelling?

The reason he sends the Holy Spirit is plainly spoken no hidden message that hey when the Holy Spirit comes then you will really be saved.

He obviously is sent to comfort,to teach you all things,to testify,guide us in to all truth, and so the disciple wouldn't be orphaned.

So they would be orphans? what does that mean?

Sure we could! Not the whole nation is saved but spiritual Israel, yeah. They were justified. They will be resurrected postrib into the MK and we will judge/reward them in Messiah's kingdom

So what is the difference between Spiritual Israel and the whole nation Israel?
Is 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Eph2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Jude 3 Beloved whil I was very diligent to write you concerning our common salvation I found it nessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

John4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

It makes my day! We are regenerated when we are born again! WE will judge Israel (see Rev 4-5 and 20:4). WE are the "elders!"

Where do you get that we are the elders?The're in heaven so that must be Christian?

Why do some traslate is Angels?What is the 24 all about?

Have you studied the use of numbers in scripture?

We cast our crowns? Does every Christian get a crown?

I can't find elders in Rev20:4 we cast our crowns but the we jump back up on our thrones with no crown?

Eph6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

You have wicked angelic rulers and a host of angel that didn't rebel you think they could have crowns?

 

[skypair]

FearotL,

John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; ... but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
...
It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Are these the scriptures that support your indwelling?

Yes.

The reason he sends the Holy Spirit is plainly spoken no hidden message that when the Holy Spirit comes, then you will really be saved.

The point is that the Teacher would be inside, not outside. And that Judas wasn't present and so did not receive the promise.

So they would be orphans? what does that mean?

I don't see where I broached this subject.

So what is the difference between Spiritual Israel and the whole nation Israel?

Spiritual Israel were believers -- national were ethnic Jews descended from Abraham.

Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Yes, SHALL be -- in the MK.

Eph2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Aliens of the earthly and SPIRITUAL inheritance, fear. Having no belief and without God.

John4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Yes, when Jesus spoke these words (still OT dispensation), this was true.

Where do you get that we are the elders?The're in heaven so that must be Christian?

The scene in Rev 4-5 follows the pretrib rapture. Elders were representatives of the 12 tribes and God ordained that there would be 12 tribes of Gentiles to correspond with 12 tribes of Israel.

Why do some traslate is Angels? What is the 24 all about?

12 + 12 = 24. There will be Christian Jews (12 apostles, likely) and Gentiles represented before the throne.

We cast our crowns? Does every Christian get a crown?

Yes, and yes, I think. There are 5 potential crowns each believer may "win."

I can't find elders in Rev 20:4 we cast our crowns but the we jump back up on our thrones with no crown?

I don't see crowns in Rev 20:4 -- just thrones.

You have wicked angelic rulers and a host of angel that didn't rebel you think they could have crowns?

Huh?

skypair

 

[fear of the lord]

The point is that the Teacher would be inside, not outside. And that Judas wasn't present and so did not receive the promise.

He wasn't present yet he replied in verse 22?

Spiritual Israel were believers -- national were ethnic Jews descended from Abraham.

Doesn't the word tell us that (God)the Holy Spirit dwelt with the whole nation Exodus 25:8 where can you make a division between saved Israel and unsaved.People say some of them were believer but not all what were they believers in animal sacrifice?

Yes, SHALL be -- in the MK.

Do you think the whole nation will be saved then?

The scene in Rev 4-5 follows the pretrib rapture. Elders were representatives of the 12 tribes and God ordained that there would be 12 tribes of Gentiles to correspond with 12 tribes of Israel.
12 + 12 = 24. There will be Christian Jews (12 apostles, likely) and Gentiles represented before the throne.

I've never heard that opinion before that is the idea that 12 represent Gentiles and 12 Jews.From my studies of numbers 12 representing government and 3 representing divine perfection I see that God had three ruling bodies of angels one of which rebeled Revelation 12:4 leaving the 24 which are giving their rulership to the King.What is the point of earning a crown that will immediately be given back?How could one rule in the kingdom without a crown?

 

[JohnBaskette]

BIBLE BELIEVER? OK, What do you do W/Kingdom verses?

The Bible makes no distinction between kingdom salvation and eternal salvation. This is a doctrine that has no place among those who believe the Bible.

Dear Pastor Larry,
I didn't reply right off b/c I wanted to quote some Kingdom verses. Here's the purpose of my original post that started this thread.
It is that Kingdom salvation is spoken of thought The Bible!
You said that, "This is a doctrine that has no place among those who believe the Bible." Not so, First upon reading God’s Word you must ALWAYS KEEP THIS IN MIND, THAT WE ARE SAVED ETERNALLY BY JESUS' SHED BLOOD ALONE!

Knowing this important fact it would seem that The Bible contradicts itself in every verse except John 3:16!

* Have you not read? ...

If you had read... what think ye? Is it a contradiction or is it explained through a cult-"men's traditions”?
What? Once you realize that^ and God's Word is inerrant,
“You're not far from The Kingdom!”

In Christ; John