Eternal security of the believer

Notice that I said that they would be raised for Judgement only. Isn't that what you're arguing?

 

Dear Bro.DeafPostTrib...

:godisgood: Due to the POWER of the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ....and due to the FACT that it is ALL SUFFICIENT to PAY for our sin debt and COVER our sins(Praise God), my salvation is safe and secure and I am JUSTIFIED (just as if I had never sinned) in the eyes of God the Father. If it(my salvation AND my eternal security) were the result of(a.)my "enduring" to the end or (b.) whether or not I am "fruitful"(only God really knows that anyway) or (c.) or whether I can successfully perform xyz amount of "good works" or be just plain old good enough then the Blood of Christ would have been shed for no purpose and the cruel death our Saviour suffered on the cross would have been for naught. I am still flesh and I am still weak at my very best but praise God,He gave me a new nature and the gift of His Holy Spirit when He saved me. I don't pretend to understand everything but I do know how blessed I am...and that because of Christ. Any sin I commit TODAY was still YET IN THE FUTURE both when Christ died on the cross AND when I accepted and trusted Him as my Saviour many years ago. When He saved me...in the eyes of God the Father...He JUSTIFIED me for all eternity and WASHED MY SINS AWAY......EVEN THOSE I HAD YET TO COMMIT....otherwise the Blood is of no effect. Your problem seems to be that in effect you don't truly believe you are forgiven.....but that your sin or sins are on some running charge account with God. You sound as if you feel you are still accountable for your sins in relation to your eternal salvation. By your definition your salvation is (from day to day)YOUR responsibility to maintain. How Sad. May God give rest to your apparently tortured soul.:tear:

God Bless You,Greg Perry Sr.:saint: raying:

 

Sorry Bubba. I just don't believe you can prove scripturally
that if a person is faithfull for 55 years and has one litte
mess up at the end that person is going to fry in eternal hell.
What sort of Kindly Father abuses His children like that?

 

Amen, Brother Greg Perry Sr. -- Preach RIGHT ON!

 

Again, Eternal Security is about the Eternal Fidelity of God
not the perfidy of mankind. Eternal Security is what the
creater of the Universe gracefully gives; not what sinful
humans deserve.

Needless to say, because you can be sure you are saved
by Messiah Jesus - you are free to obey God's commands
and faithfully serve Him - which is a Christians' duty.

 

I'm pretty sure what I'm saying and what you are saying are two different things. A person is saved on the last day based on the finished work of Christ if they believe on Him. Their own works will have no bearing whatsoever on that day. But prior to that day, there is an age of reward where Christ promises that those who suffer for Him will also reign with Him, but if we deny Him, He also will deny us. A believer in Christ may be saved on the last day, and still experience judgment. The believers that will be brought up out of Hell at the great white throne will be the ones who were not reigning with Christ during the millennial kingdom.

 

Newman,

Rev. 20:11-15 do not suggest it is the picture of purgatory, that a person shall be finally release out of hell for the judgment day. This is talking about JUDGMENT DAY. Right now, people who are already in hell are reserved awaiting for the judgment day. Also, hell is already resverved for eternality punishment will be in the lake of fire. There is no escape hope for these who are already in hell. Many saying hell is a temporary place like as prison or jail. Well, they are partially correct. Yet, hell is already fixed separated as gulf from heaven. Hell shall be CAST into the lake of fire. Lake of fire is the final future eternality destiny.

Also, Bible teaching us, there is only two future eternality destiny where we all shall spend beyond our death - heaven and hell(lake of fire).

Nowhere in the Bible teaching us of purgatory such as what Joey Faust teaches.

There is already reserved and appointment for us once after we die- Hebrews 9:27.

Also, the Bible teaching us there shall be the only ONE future judgement day, not two or three judgment days according as what dispensationalism teaching.

Matt. 25:30 doesn't promise us that the wicked servant shall be finally being released out of outer darkness beyond the judgment day. You cannot added Matt. 25:30 unto Rev. 20:11-15 in another way. Understand, Matt. 25:30 is from Christ's own words, that He shall send a wicked servant cast unto outer darkness that shall be AT the judgment day(great white throne/judgment seat of Christ). Also, 'outer darkness' is same as lake of fire is the final eternality punishment. No arugment. Period. Believe what Christ saying.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

What is the basis for God's chastening his children? For what are we chastened? Are not those same sins, for which we are chastened, under the blood in an absolute sense? Of course we have a "running charge". What are we rewarded/chastened for?

That is not the Millennial Exclusionist's position at all. You are not hearing what we say.

Which aspect of salvation are you referring to? Our eternal salvation is secure. But God forbid we use Christ's precious blood as a reason to sin? This is exactly what we are doing when we say that God will not chasten us because our sins are covered by the blood.

Can we not be "saved" from chastening by being obedient? This "salvation" would obviously be conditional and "day-to-day." Yet it would never in any way affect our eternal security!

lacy

 

Then why does it specifically say that only those NOT WRITTEN down are cast into the LOF? What an odd thing to say!

If I had a class of all girls and I said "Everyone who is not a boy stand up", wouldn't that be a strange thing to say?

If I raised and owned only sheep and I said "We sheared every animal but the cows." wouldn't that be odd?

If I commanded a group consisting exclusively of unbelievers, "Everyone except the Christians, go to the LOF!" wouldn't that be a wierd way to say it?

lacy

 

I hope I never have to "Earn the right to be a child of God". Dreadful doctrine!


Christ earned it for me by dying in my place!

Lacy

 

I can sure prove that Moses missed his promised entrance into the Promised land because of one little mess-up after many many years of faithful service. Unto whom much is given, much is required.

lacy

 

Simply not Biblical. Christians will not go to Hell for even 5 minutes. If Christ denies you on Judgement Day you'rer going to Hell.

 

How funny I do not read this board that much, mostly just post. I just noticed after I just posted this topic is alot like the one I just questioned. Forgive me for not reading first. I will try and read this tonight.

 

Prove that statement in light of these questions:

*In Mark 9:38, John is speaking. When the Lord answers him, who does the "thy" (second person singular) refer to in Mark 9:43?

*Does the phrase "ye belong to Christ" in Mark 9:41 mean that John was eternally saved?

*In verse 50, who is Jesus addressing?

*Who is Jesus warning about going to "Hell" in BODY, an unbeliever or a believer (Mark 9:47)?

*According to Jesus, to escape Hell is to enter the Kingdom of God in body (Mark 9:47).

*Since Jesus warned His disciples about the danger of going to "Hell" in soul and BODY (see Matthew 10:28), and since unbelievers only go to "Hell" in their SOUL before their resurrection, and since all unbelievers come out of "Hell" to stand at the Great White Throne, and are then cast into the Lake of Fire, was Jesus warning believers or unbelievers about going to "Hell" in their BODIES? Do modern Christians need to fear this warning?

*A believer can be made sick or killed by God in this life, and still possess everlasting life (John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 11:30). Where is the Bible verse that teaches that temporary chastisement in the age of the Millennial Kingdom would neutralize the promise of everlasting life, even though temporary chastisement in this life does not?


Lacy

 

I will post this again since those who believe a child of God (those saved) can leave that salvation. For some reason it seems to be the one post repeatedly not responded to, but I'll try again. However, before you throw your prooftexts out to show the bible says another thing - Deal first with the verses given first please

NOTE: saved is in the past perfect tense showing a completed act HAS been done. Which takes works out of the equation and keeps your boasting silent.
It is also in the passive voice which means The passive voice represents the subject as being the recipient of the action. And in no way indicates the action is continued on nor is it completed by the subject. Interesting how one word can unravil such drivil like conditional salvation.

We can not save ourselves and by that token if we can not save ourselves we (with great assurance) can not keep ourselves saved since it was an act of God to begin with. Unless of course you are greater than God who saved you.

 

AMEN!!! I wholeheartedly agree.

Lacy