Yes and the Christophanies were "appearances" in a body not a product of human birth.
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Eternal Subordination of the Son. Biblical?
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37818
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Yes. His is explicitly referred to as the Son who revels God being the Son before His incarnation. John 1:18.
Again IMO prophetic.
Of course from all eternity God's PLAN was the sonship of Jesus Christ (O LOGOS) but in actuality it happened in the time continuum at His conception in Mary's womb.
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Our differences are semantics.
Unto us a son is given, a child is born!
The Son was/is eternally begotten of/from the Father, so both are equally God!
That is why I disagree with Dr Grudem on Eternal subordination, as do see them as equals, and see the eternal; relationship as the Father to Son, but was subordinate only during the Incarnation, during his time here on earth!
Both equally and fully God, as the Father eternal begotten the Son!
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He was the Son prior to being sent. All appearances in the OT are explicitly said to be the Son and were temporal acts, as was the creation by the Son (Hebrews 1:2).
I have made my case - let the readers review my rebuttals and decide for themselves.
Does, woman, specifically Mary who was espoused to Joseph, have anything to do with Jesus of Nazareth being the Son of God?
Does a human woman have anything to do with God being with Father of Jesus of Nazareth?
γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ Πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου τέξεται δὲ υἱὸν καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν
Does that have anything to do with the Son of God to God the Father?
Would that not be, The Word made flesh?
Does a human woman have anything to do with God being with Father of Jesus of Nazareth?
γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ Πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου τέξεται δὲ υἱὸν καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν
Does that have anything to do with the Son of God to God the Father?
Would that not be, The Word made flesh?
Agreed, there is one throne in Rev,yet both are described on the throne
A Father suggest He existed before a son
He was to be a son given when he was flesh . not a Son in Heaven before He was flesh
"A body thou hast prepared for me"
He was God before being being flesh.
Was He human before He was a Son?
no,
37818
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37818
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He was also "with God" being someone other than God (John 1:2). Being "made" flesh was change as to how He was with God, but not a change that He "was God."
Except that John states they forever existed together!
Jesus was fully God before the incarnation event... he was God, and yet was not the Father Himself...