Eucharistic Divinity

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The world is catching on to Australian Reds especially the big flavoured Shiraz and Cab Savs, which are very dry with no sweetness at all, which makes them very good with steaks and roast beef.
Dry wine really clears your palate to taste your food.
I hardly know anyone that drinks sweet reds anymore, everyone goes for driest reds possible. They’ll all be serving it with food, it is the food enhancer.
A glass of bone dry Cab Sav with a steak is perfect.
Sweet wines I can’t stand unless it’s a port. But you don’t drink port with dinner.

I guess that both the weather &. And the soul are accommodating… but I’m not prepared to pick up where I left off you see, I grew up with several alcoholics including a grandfather, brother, father and wife…all had stories to tell Apparently it’s kinda easy to go down that path however I was trying and the potean will throw ya off course… I believe it all begins there… then weed, then Cocain, and all the rest of the garbage… then you’re digging your own grave.

 

[Cathode]

It's a ball that you served. I just think if I remember correctly there are caveats that you left out, possibly unintentionally, or not. But thanks, I will try search using those words. Do you remember if this was an official church statement or a theologians opinion?

There are offical Church documents on the subject. I have sepsis at the moment and I’m on strong painkillers, I apologise for not being as helpful.

you did but what I don't understand is why you seem offended at the prospect of me giving the same grace to a Catholic worshipper who I am repeatedly conceding is indeed an actual Christian and fellow believer even if my beliefs on the Mass and transubstantiation are total disagreement. Why can a catholic offer this conciliation to us and at the same time insist that I "cannot have it both ways", as you want to do?

By our understanding you are baptised Christians and are part of the Church. By your understanding we are idol worshippers committing damnable idolatry.

Good Samaritan rules means you can’t overlook that fact.

Look. This thread is about to close. That, and the fact that this thread is one of proselytizing and violates clearly the rules of this forum for "other Christian denominations", which rules @Salty himself wrote, now that I know he has seen this makes me wonder about the whole Baptist Board setup and why it went as long as it did. So. I have given all my reasons that the Eucharist is not divine in itself and there is nothing I can say. You and @Earth Wind and Fire should use the remaining 6 hours to sort out your wine lists. Good day.

No Catholics are not allowed to proselytise, that’s Islam.
We can defend our Faith and perspectives however.
I want to apologise for my tone and being overly ardent banging on a bit, I’m mostly preaching to myself.
I can’t stop talking about the Eucharist, even friends and family get annoyed.
These encounters with Jesus are real, it’s the heart of everything I know and believe.

I appreciate your kind tolerance Dave, and willingness to contend for your beliefs.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We were talking about the body and blood of the Savior. Then it turned into praise for Australian wines! Wish it would have remained reverent.

Don’t get all bent outa shape…what we are really discussing is lust and sin and lack of self control … and wine can be a catalyst toward destruction so it is prevalent. Now when you take another brothers inventory and make snide comments, well I have allot of difficulty tolerating that.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

There are offical Church documents on the subject. I have sepsis at the moment and I’m on strong painkillers, I apologise for not being as helpful.



By our understanding you are baptised Christians and are part of the Church. By your understanding we are idol worshippers committing damnable idolatry.

Good Samaritan rules means you can’t overlook that fact.



No Catholics are not allowed to proselytise, that’s Islam.
We can defend our Faith and perspectives however.
I want to apologise for my tone and being overly ardent banging on a bit, I’m mostly preaching to myself.
I can’t stop talking about the Eucharist, even friends and family get annoyed.
These encounters with Jesus are real, it’s the heart of everything I know and believe.

I appreciate your kind tolerance Dave, and willingness to contend for your beliefs.

Never apologize for your beliefs. They are your own and you must respect them… you own them and there are thousands like you who believe the same.

 

[Cathode]

We were talking about the body and blood of the Savior. Then it turned into praise for Australian wines! Wish it would have remained reverent.

My apologies. I mentioned these as my previous attachments as in things that can interfere with the spiritual. Worldly things. I didn’t intend it to be anything other than something in passing.

 

[Ascetic X]

My apologies. I mentioned these as my previous attachments as in things that can interfere with the spiritual. Worldly things. I didn’t intend it to be anything other than something in passing.

You are a good man. I am praying for extreme organic repair and swift healing of sepsis in your body. Bless you, Cathode.

 

[DaveXR650]

There are offical Church documents on the subject.

Yes. And with your word search suggestion I found the documents instantly. Thanks.

By our understanding you are baptised Christians and are part of the Church. By your understanding we are idol worshippers committing damnable idolatry.

I disagree with your assessment in two areas. One, and you guys have to work it out yourselves, that document goes directly against the writings at Trent which say "anyone", not just the original Reformers, who do not believe the Eucharist is propitiatory, and that transubstantiation is true - then let them be accursed. I did find the later 1964 writings kind and somewhat conciliatory and if you are willing to say that they refute the pronouncements of Trent then I will accept that on your word. If you know of other documents that would support the Catholic church reversing Trent and admitting it was wrong then point me to them.

The other area relates to the first in that the parishioner level teaching at some of the local Catholic churches seems to change or shall I say be explained in the mildest possible way. My cousin, who drifts a lot and after a period non attendance at any church told me she was going to a Catholic church. She was expecting me to object forcefully, and after realizing I was not doing so, began to explain how open minded the priest was on transubstantiation and such. What I am saying by that is that apparently, in her mind at least, she is now a Catholic worshipper who is not convinced on transubstantiation, does not think she is personally worshipping Christ in a wafer on a pole, and does not feel that I am in any jeopardy for not doing like her. In that case I don't in any way think she is committing a damnable heresy by going to Mass, nor are the laymen around her. And in any case, like you were instructed in Vatican II, I also welcome the chance for dialogue regarding any questions she might have, as that is what we are supposed to do too. I always talk to the Mormons and JW's when they stop by too.

No Catholics are not allowed to proselytise, that’s Islam.

Proselytizing is just trying to get someone to convert to your faith. You were instructed to do that in the Vatican II document in very explicit terms. And that's fine. I was just referring to the Baptistboard forum rules for "Other Christian Denominations" which explicitly prohibit that on this board. I don't mind as I find your arguments well done and enjoy dialog with you but it just surprised me that it was allowed and that this thread was not shut down prematurely.

I do hope you get to feeling better.

 

[Walter]

My apologies. I mentioned these as my previous attachments as in things that can interfere with the spiritual. Worldly things. I didn’t intend it to be anything other than something in passing.

Just finished praying for your healing. Sepsis is serious and I will be asking my prayer partners to add you to the intercession list

 

[Cathode]

Yes. And with your word search suggestion I found the documents instantly. Thanks.

I disagree with your assessment in two areas. One, and you guys have to work it out yourselves, that document goes directly against the writings at Trent which say "anyone", not just the original Reformers, who do not believe the Eucharist is propitiatory, and that transubstantiation is true - then let them be accursed. I did find the later 1964 writings kind and somewhat conciliatory and if you are willing to say that they refute the pronouncements of Trent then I will accept that on your word. If you know of other documents that would support the Catholic church reversing Trent and admitting it was wrong then point me to them.

The other area relates to the first in that the parishioner level teaching at some of the local Catholic churches seems to change or shall I say be explained in the mildest possible way. My cousin, who drifts a lot and after a period non attendance at any church told me she was going to a Catholic church. She was expecting me to object forcefully, and after realizing I was not doing so, began to explain how open minded the priest was on transubstantiation and such. What I am saying by that is that apparently, in her mind at least, she is now a Catholic worshipper who is not convinced on transubstantiation, does not think she is personally worshipping Christ in a wafer on a pole, and does not feel that I am in any jeopardy for not doing like her. In that case I don't in any way think she is committing a damnable heresy by going to Mass, nor are the laymen around her. And in any case, like you were instructed in Vatican II, I also welcome the chance for dialogue regarding any questions she might have, as that is what we are supposed to do too. I always talk to the Mormons and JW's when they stop by too.


Proselytizing is just trying to get someone to convert to your faith. You were instructed to do that in the Vatican II document in very explicit terms. And that's fine. I was just referring to the Baptistboard forum rules for "Other Christian Denominations" which explicitly prohibit that on this board. I don't mind as I find your arguments well done and enjoy dialog with you but it just surprised me that it was allowed and that this thread was not shut down prematurely.

I do hope you get to feeling better.

Everyone is called to evangelise, but we are strictly forbidden to proselytise, a grave sin and ultimately fruitless.

That’s not simply proposing alternative arguments with intent to convince. That’s called debate and everyone is doing that.

 

[Salty]

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