A true Calvinist looks to God for results, but that does not mean that he does not work. 'And let us not grow weary in doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.'
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Didnt Did he did not work.
I meant to say, I didnt say he did not work.
I was wondering. Thought you were having a pentecostal moment.
Having an "auto correct" moment.I was wondering. Thought you were having a pentecostal moment.
A brief sidebar. Autocorrect got me in hot water with my lovely bride. I texted her "I love you" and autocorrect changed it to "I lice you." She thought I was calling down a biblical plague on her! LOL
Over the night,something hit me. You pointed out that Chandler is not one of your guys. Him and others like him are the face of the modern Calvinist movement. You would probably accomplish more toward forwarding Calvinism if you spent more energy dealing with Calvinists like Chandler and spent less energy fighting non cals. The new cals and the neo cals are much more your enemy than are the non cals
I guess I'm just one of the old fogies that doesn't get hepped up about "modern worship" styles.
I'm of the old school that believes that for a congregation to prosper the only REAL necessity is biblical preaching in ALL aspects of God's nature; loving AND judgmental!!
AFAIC, the only "food/drink" that should be available during a worship service is a water fountain.
I have no problem using the building for social activities etc, BUT not as a "lure" to get more attendees TO THE WORSHIP SERVICE.
I'm not going to quit going because of the "social promotion activities", but I will refuse to personally support such.
My wife has just called me to lunch, & this is where I'll do my eating & drinking - not at church on Sunday!!
I'm of the old school that believes that for a congregation to prosper the only REAL necessity is biblical preaching in ALL aspects of God's nature; loving AND judgmental!!
AFAIC, the only "food/drink" that should be available during a worship service is a water fountain.
I have no problem using the building for social activities etc, BUT not as a "lure" to get more attendees TO THE WORSHIP SERVICE.
I'm not going to quit going because of the "social promotion activities", but I will refuse to personally support such.
My wife has just called me to lunch, & this is where I'll do my eating & drinking - not at church on Sunday!!
Nope, that only happens we one says 'see my tie" 3 times really fast, and now have the gift of tongues!I was wondering. Thought you were having a pentecostal moment.
Sociology, psychology, motivational speaking, a concert, and food is the new norm.I guess I'm just one of the old fogies that doesn't get hepped up about "modern worship" styles.
I'm of the old school that believes that for a congregation to prosper the only REAL necessity is biblical preaching in ALL aspects of God's nature; loving AND judgmental!!
AFAIC, the only "food/drink" that should be available during a worship service is a water fountain.
I have no problem using the building for social activities etc, BUT not as a "lure" to get more attendees TO THE WORSHIP SERVICE.
I'm not going to quit going because of the "social promotion activities", but I will refuse to personally support such.
My wife has just called me to lunch, & this is where I'll do my eating & drinking - not at church on Sunday!!
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Well put. That is what the "seeker driven" nonesense turned into. Also dont forget the sermon is edutainment.
The problem is that non Cals like yourself and others in the essageboards point to these new guys as if they speak for mainstream Calvinists and they do not.
I have not looked you the things you speak of about him.
When I hear some of these kind of men speak and use questionable words to describe the doctrines, I put them on the back burner and let those with access to them deal with them.
If a Matt Chandler type came on here I would not shrink back from offering correction.
Non Cals try to search out when some of these new guys say something off and seize on it, putting one against another.Divide and conquer.
The truth stands despite such I'll fated attempts.
Matt Chandler has not come on here and attacked me and suggested false things about me to show himself as an adversary so I would offer correction if it was needed
It all goes back to sweeping your own doorstep before you try to tell your neighbor how dirty his door step is. The Neo Cals are front and center of the Calvinist movement. They are the face of the Calvinist movement. They are the ones damaging the Calvinist movement. They are trying to turn the SBC into a denomination that has power over its churches. They are trying to tie Calvinism to social justice. Of course there will be push back against the Calvinists and its not even about Calvinism.
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I do not expect sinless perfection from any professed believer.
There is a freedom and latitude people have in their local churches to sweep their own doorstep.
I do not think they have asked me to sweep it for them.
There are primitive baptists on this forum.
Although they believe in election and predestination we have differences in how we see the biblical pattern of how those truths are implemented in personal and church life.
We will openly differ with each other and sometimes vigorously.
Nevertheless, they are closer than the non Cals who oppose truth after truth.
Now they could worship together with a Calvinist, but might not want the Calvinist to teach in their church on topics where they differ.
The difference is each will offer biblical reasons for what they do.
Why is it that any other Christian, regardless of soteriological flavor is considered an enemy? That is the problem with these debates. Quite frankly it is ungodly
Enemy to the advancement of Calvinism. Not general enemy.
I will do my best to be nicer to "calvies" than you are. I wont have to try very hard.Oh! Well then that makes it all better.
They are the face of the Calvinist movement to a subset of Calvinists; mostly what is termed "the young and the restless". Matt Chandler, David Platt, and Mark Driscoll are prominent names in that group. The "young and the restless" are generally not confessional and, as you alluded to, mix their Calvinism in with the social justice movement (to greater or lesser degrees). They are a far cry from more traditional Calvinists like the late R.C. Sproul, James Renihan, and Samuel Waldron et. al. The SBC has Calvinists such as Tom Ascol and Jared Longshore who are pushing back hard against the threat of the Social Justice Movement.
I am not bothered by the young and restless crowd. There are always going to be new voices trying to blaze a new path. I chalk that up to some of the evangelical fads we have been discussing. In the meantime, those who love the Lord and His word should continue to press forward; addressing falsehood and error as necessary but spending more time feeding the sheep under their care.
Bagels and locks YES! Donuts... not so much.