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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Nov 13, 2023.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    All these passages cited above demonstrate KenH's view is bogus.

    1Timothy 2:3 - 4
    This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
     
    #21 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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    Obviously, the "all people" is all of God's elect, those He chose before the foundation of the world and gave to His Son, Christ Jesus, to be their Surety and to work out a perfect righteousness on their behalf, as all of their sins were imputed to Him and His perfect righteousness was imputed to them.

    Clearly, the "all people" could not be all people ever born, unless every person ever born is saved. Now, I am willing to hear an explanation as to how every person ever born will be saved, as I am well aware that there are those who believe in Christian Universalism.

    However, I don't think that Christian Universalism is what Van, and most other Conditionalists, mean. Therefore, to hold that God wants every person ever born to be saved means that such people consider God unable to always obtain His will or desire. Such people are saying that God is only partially sovereign, which means their idea of God is basically no different than those gods of Greek mythology or a Marvel movie character nowadays.

    People such as Van and other Conditionalists would do well to heed the words of Scott Price, pastor of Gospel of Grace Ministries in Okeana, Ohio:

    "The Gospel of God's free and Sovereign Grace in Christ is not just one choice of many in a "Christian buffet".

    It is the ONLY gospel there is."
     
    #22 KenH, Nov 17, 2023
  3. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Obviously all people refers to all people, those to be saved and those who were or will be never saved. That is why Christ died for all people and not just for some people.

    If I had a nickle for every time a Calvinist said or implied I might be a Universalist, I could go fishing.

    As we were all chosen through faith in the truth, and no one was chosen before they were "not a people" the claim individuals were chosen before creation is just another unbiblical fiction.

    Note the false claim if Christ dies for all people, that means all people are saved. They pile one false claim on another creating an valence of fiction. Christ's death provides the means of salvation for everyone, but does not compel the salvation of everyone, 1 John 2:2.

    Then yet another fiction, if God desires everyone to come to the knowledge of Christ, by means of their autonomous choice, then God is not attempting to compel their salvation has therefore has not been thwarted. On and on folks, on and on.

    The Calvinist "gospel" is not the biblical gospel, and the biblical gospel is indeed the only one there is!
     
    #23 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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    Lol, Van and his imaginary captivated audience...
     
    #24 kyredneck, Nov 17, 2023
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    Folks such as Van, and other Conditionalists, don't believe Christ Jesus when He said, "It is finished." In their minds, they add to His statement. They hear, "My part is finished, now it is up to you to do your part, and to finish the job that I started."

    I fully realize that if salvation is not by the free and sovereign grace of God, that I am doomed. There is no amount of scrambling around on my part, trying to find something that I can "do" to achieve the perfect righteousness required to stand before a perfectly holy, perfectly righteous God, that would ever be successful. I am a vile, wretched, worm in and of myself and on my own efforts I can never, ever rise above that state.

    Let me put it quite bluntly, either all of my sins were imputed to Christ and He paid the penalty for them and His perfect righteousness was imputed to me and God regenerates me and grants me the gifts of faith and repentance from dead works, or I am bound for Hell. If salvation requires me "doing" something to finish what Christ Jesus started, then I am bound for Hell, as I am quite certain that this vile, wretched, worm writing this post is totally incapable of "doing" anything by some supposed "free will" to save myself.
     
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    Obviously all people refers to all people, those to be saved and those who were or will be never saved. That is why Christ died for all people and not just for some people.

    If I had a nickle for every time a Calvinist said or implied I might be a Universalist, I could go fishing.

    As we were all chosen through faith in the truth, and no one was chosen before they were "not a people" the claim individuals were chosen before creation is just another unbiblical fiction.

    Note the false claim if Christ dies for all people, that means all people are saved. They pile one false claim on another creating an valence of fiction. Christ's death provides the means of salvation for everyone, but does not compel the salvation of everyone, 1 John 2:2.

    Then yet another fiction, if God desires everyone to come to the knowledge of Christ, by means of their autonomous choice, then God is not attempting to compel their salvation has therefore has not been thwarted. On and on folks, on and on.

    The Calvinist "gospel" is not the biblical gospel, and the biblical gospel is indeed the only one there is!
     
    #26 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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    Obviously all people refers to all people, those to be saved and those who were or will be never saved. That is why Christ died for all people and not just for some people.

    If I had a nickle for every time a Calvinist said or implied I might be a Universalist, I could go fishing.

    As we were all chosen through faith in the truth, and no one was chosen before they were "not a people" the claim individuals were chosen before creation is just another unbiblical fiction.

    Note the false claim if Christ dies for all people, that means all people are saved. They pile one false claim on another creating an valence of fiction. Christ's death provides the means of salvation for everyone, but does not compel the salvation of everyone, 1 John 2:2.

    Then yet another fiction, if God desires everyone to come to the knowledge of Christ, by means of their autonomous choice, then God is not attempting to compel their salvation has therefore has not been thwarted. On and on folks, on and on.

    The Calvinist "gospel" is not the biblical gospel, and the biblical gospel is indeed the only one there is!
     
    #27 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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    This post of yours is just as false the third time you have posted it, Van, as the first time you posted it; however, I cannot speak about your going fishing as I do not know how many nickels you need to go fishing.
     
    #28 KenH, Nov 17, 2023
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    Folks, behold yet another "taint so" post denying truth.

    Obviously all people refers to all people, those to be saved and those who were or will be never saved. That is why Christ died for all people and not just for some people.

    If I had a nickle for every time a Calvinist said or implied I might be a Universalist, I could go fishing.

    As we were all chosen through faith in the truth, and no one was chosen before they were "not a people" the claim individuals were chosen before creation is just another unbiblical fiction.

    Note the false claim if Christ dies for all people, that means all people are saved. They pile one false claim on another creating an valence of fiction. Christ's death provides the means of salvation for everyone, but does not compel the salvation of everyone, 1 John 2:2.

    Then yet another fiction, if God desires everyone to come to the knowledge of Christ, by means of their autonomous choice, then God is not attempting to compel their salvation has therefore has not been thwarted. On and on folks, on and on.

    The Calvinist "gospel" is not the biblical gospel, and the biblical gospel is indeed the only one there is!
     
    #29 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    I read about a fisherman who went fishing and caught 153 fish. Even so he became a fisher of men...
     
    #30 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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    In baseball it is three strikes and you are out. You're up to 4 strikes now, Van. If you post it 5 more times, then in baseball, they call that a sombrero.
     
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    I read about a God-Man who ordained so many fishes to go into a net that the net brake, and when help arrived and both ships were filled with the fishes, both ships began to sink.
     
    #32 KenH, Nov 17, 2023
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    The only problem with that Van, is how do you explain two resurrections?... How do you explain two separate hours?... And two separate events?... I can!... The first is Regeneration and the second is Resurrection... Brother Glen:)

    John 5: 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
     
    #33 tyndale1946, Nov 17, 2023
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    Well, at least you have posted a biblical interpretation based on an effort to rightly divide the word of truth. Can't find fault with that!

    I am sure it occurred to you that verse 25 might not be addressing the resurrections of verse 29?

    I see John 5:24 to 26 addressing the spiritually dead heeding the gospel and being born anew spiritually during their physical lifetime.

    Then I see John 5:27 to 29 addressing the coming judgement with those born anew spiritually but bodily in their grave, facing the resurrection to life, and all the rest facing the subsequent resurrection of judgement.
     
    #34 Van, Nov 17, 2023
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