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Crabtownboy

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carpro

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You're a little early .The final product is not in.

But we do not it's not too late to call your hero, the Zero a liar on Obamacare. He even admitted it.
 

Brent W

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you cannot be pro-obamacare and pro smaller govt
Yes you can. Politics isn't binary. There are plenty of places where the government can be useful to citizens and plenty of places where it can't. Just because you believe that the government should handle healthcare doesn't mean you can't also believe that the government should be reduced elsewhere.

Too many people look at politics as black and white, or Republican or Democrat unfortunately. That is how we keep getting disappointed every 4 years regardless of which side wins.
 

FollowTheWay

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The military is NOT bloated.
The problem is the military is that the government is trying to make it a social experiment .
The U.S. spends almost as much on its military as the next 8 countries combined.(China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, UK, India, France, Japan and Germany). U.s. $596B, other 8 $607B in 2015. How much is enough? And Trump says we are weak and must increase military spending while cutting healthcare, education and environmental protection.
 

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Eisenhower was an expert in the military as well as government. He was far more knowledgeable in both than Trump. He warned us a long time ago about the dangers of allowing the military-industrial complex take control. That's the situation we have today.We even essentially stopped supporting manned space flight advances for about 40 years to feed this monster. (I actually worked on the Space Shuttle before its first flight. It was an early '70's design. Only until the start of designing the Orion MPCV which was announced by NASA on May 24, 2011, and is currently under development under President Obama, did we take up the challenge again of manned space exp[loration.
 
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Alcott

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Kennedy's welfare proposal-- "...stressing services instead of support, rehabilitation instead of relief, and training for youthful work instead of prolonged dependency."

 

The American Dream

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CTB, as usual you have no concept of the Constitution or our founding documents. No where is the Constitution does it say that the federal or for that matter state governments have the responsibility or right to administer health care. There is no right to have health care. If you want insurance coverage, purchase it on the private market The Bible teaches the church is responsible to take care of the sick, poor, widows, and orphans. The church failed to do so, so in the mid 60s, the government took it over due to the large gap. It is a total mess today, because once again we did not follow the Lord's plan. The Constitution is here to govern our nation and protect our citizens. It is not here to promote the liberal agenda of people who wish to ram it down our throats.
 

FollowTheWay

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Kennedy's welfare proposal-- "...stressing services instead of support, rehabilitation instead of relief, and training for youthful work instead of prolonged dependency."

President Clinton signed an overhaul of the nation’s cash assistance program for the poor, converting it from an open-ended benefit to a time-limited one conditioned on work effort and funded by a fixed federal grant to the states (plus state dollars). Supporters hailed the new program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), as the antidote to the previous system’s perverse incentives for dependency, especially among single mothers.
 

FollowTheWay

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CTB, as usual you have no concept of the Constitution or our founding documents. No where is the Constitution does it say that the federal or for that matter state governments have the responsibility or right to administer health care. There is no right to have health care. If you want insurance coverage, purchase it on the private market The Bible teaches the church is responsible to take care of the sick, poor, widows, and orphans. The church failed to do so, so in the mid 60s, the government took it over due to the large gap. It is a total mess today, because once again we did not follow the Lord's plan. The Constitution is here to govern our nation and protect our citizens. It is not here to promote the liberal agenda of people who wish to ram it down our throats.
The United States Constitution has served as a framework for the government of the United States and as a guarantee of individual freedoms since 1788, but from the outset, people had ideas on how to improve on what the Framers had created in their Convention. Within 18 months, the Bill of Rights was passed, adding 10 amendments to the brand new document. From 1789 to 1992, the Constitution was amended 27 times, and through judicial review, the meaning of parts of the Constitution have changed many times.
There have been many proposals for substantial change to the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson himself was wary of the power of the dead over the living in the form of an unchanging Constitution. To ensure that each generation have a say in the framework of the government, he proposed that the Constitution, and each one following it, expire after 19 or 20 years. James Madison, Jefferson's contemporary, found comfort in knowing that the populace would not be thrust into political turmoil every 20 years, and noted that the way the Constitution is now structured, it implies an acceptance of the status quo unless explicitly changed.

So there have been different perspectives on how the Constitution should evolve.

Constitutional Topic: Rewriting the Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
 

The American Dream

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The United States Constitution has served as a framework for the government of the United States and as a guarantee of individual freedoms since 1788, but from the outset, people had ideas on how to improve on what the Framers had created in their Convention. Within 18 months, the Bill of Rights was passed, adding 10 amendments to the brand new document. From 1789 to 1992, the Constitution was amended 27 times, and through judicial review, the meaning of parts of the Constitution have changed many times.
There have been many proposals for substantial change to the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson himself was wary of the power of the dead over the living in the form of an unchanging Constitution. To ensure that each generation have a say in the framework of the government, he proposed that the Constitution, and each one following it, expire after 19 or 20 years. James Madison, Jefferson's contemporary, found comfort in knowing that the populace would not be thrust into political turmoil every 20 years, and noted that the way the Constitution is now structured, it implies an acceptance of the status quo unless explicitly changed.

So there have been different perspectives on how the Constitution should evolve.

Constitutional Topic: Rewriting the Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
The Constitution does not evolve. It exists. That is how liberals advance their agenda. BTW the Bible does not evolve either.
 

FollowTheWay

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The Constitution does not evolve. It exists. That is how liberals advance their agenda. BTW the Bible does not evolve either.
That's your problem. You place as much importance on the Constitution as on the Bible. The Bible is far more significant and not even in the same category as the Constitution. You also don't understand history. The framers of the Constitution expected to see change over time. There is only one perfect document that's ever been written and that's the Bible.
 
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