Everything is Not Out of Control, Everything is Under God's Sovereign Control

[KenH]

I encourage you to read and prayerfully consider these Divinely inspired words recorded for the comfort and encouragement of ALL GOD'S ELECT in every generation:

"And Jehoshaphat stood in the congregation of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the LORD, before the new court, And said, O LORD God of our fathers, [art] not thou God in heaven? and rulest [not] thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand [is there not] power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?"(II Chronicles 20:5-6)

"But our God [is] in the heavens: He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased."(Psalm 115:3)

"Whatsoever the LORD pleased, [that] DID HE in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places."(Psalm 135:6)

"And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom [is] from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth [are] reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and [among] the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?"(Daniel 4:34-35)

As those who claim to be "loved of God", "born of God", and preserved BY GOD, before you post anything about how much of a disaster things are, or how out of control things might appear to our minds and understanding, REMEMBER WHO ORDAINED THE DISASTERS AND WHO HAS ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGN CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING, and ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, I mean EVERYTHING.

- by Richard Warmack, Pastor, Grace Baptist Church of Ruston, via his Facebook page

 

[Ascetic X]

What God allows is not necessarily what God wills. If something is happening, especially tragic disasters, God may not be pleased, and might bring an end to it.

We should not assume that everything that occurs has God’s stamp of approval on it.

While God is in control, often that control includes not permitting certain things to continue. We are in a ferocious spiritual battle and should pray for righteousness to prevail and ask God to end suffering, deception, and catastrophe.

1 John 3:8b

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

 

[KenH]

While God is in control, often that control includes not permitting certain things to continue.

You are putting forth a distinction without a difference. If God sovereignly permits "certain things to continue", then God is sovereignly in control of those "certain things" that continue.

 

[Ascetic X]

You are putting forth a distinction without a difference. If God sovereignly permits "certain things to continue", then God is sovereignly in control of those "certain things" that continue.

And when God stops something from happening, that shows He was not pleased with it, although He patiently endured it. For example, when Israel was sacrificing their firstborn to pagan idols. This abomination was not pleasing to God. God never wills that His commandments be disobeyed.

So, not everything that happens has God’s stamp of approval on it.

 

[KenH]

God never wills that His commandments be disobeyed.

Yet God does bring it about sovereignly for His purposes and for His glory.

 

[Ascetic X]

Yet God does bring it about sovereignly for His purposes and for His glory.

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Quote me scripture that God sovereignly brings about that His commandments be disobeyed for His purposes and His glory.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

If God sovereignly brings about everything that happens, why did Jesus destroy the works of the devil?

 

[KenH]

If God sovereignly brings about everything that happens, why did Jesus destroy the works of the devil?

For God's purposes and for His glory.

 

[Ascetic X]

For God's purposes and for His glory.

Thus certain things that were permitted to be happening were not for God’s purposes and His glory, but were the works of the devil, which Jesus came to destroy.

 

[KenH]

Quote me scripture that God sovereignly brings about that His commandments be disobeyed for His purposes and His glory.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Psalm 76:10
Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee:
The remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.

2 Samuel 24:1
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
2 Samuel 24:10
And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

 

[KenH]

Thus certain things that were permitted to be happening were not for God’s purposes and His glory

There is not an atom in the entire universe that God created that moves except for God's purposes and God's glory.

 

[Ascetic X]

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Psalm 76:10
Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee:
The remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.

2 Samuel 24:1
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
2 Samuel 24:10
And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

You have evaded my request. I asked for scripture that says God brings it about that His commands are disobeyed. You have not proven that God ever wants or wanted sin to happen.

God did indeed create darkness and evil, which refers to Lucifer when he fell and became Satan.

But God Himself is NOT dark or evil, for He is holy, holy, holy.

God is light, not darkness.

God is love, not hate.

Isaiah 6:3

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Isaiah 13:11

I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.

1 John 1:5

This then is the message which we have heard from Him and declare unto you: that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

1 John 4:16

So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us.
God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

Lamentations 3:22-23

The faithful love of the LORD never ends! His mercies never cease. Great is his faithfulness; his mercies begin afresh each morning.

 

[KenH]

God is love, not hate.

Psalm 5:5
Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Romans 9:11-13
(for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

 

[Ascetic X]

There is not an atom in the entire universe that God created that moves except for God's purposes and God's glory.

If your philosophical, unbiblical statement was true, then there is no such thing as sin. But sin does exist and it is against God, not for Him.

The works of the devil are not for God’s purposes and glory. If they were, Jesus would not have come to destroy them.

Israel sacrificing their firstborn to pagan idols was not for God’s purposes and glory, it was opposed to His purposes and glory. God’s purpose was for the firstborn to be dedicated to Jehovah, not Baal or Moloch.

The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were so opposed to God’s purposes and glory, the cities were wiped out.

 

[Ascetic X]

There is not an atom in the entire universe that God created that moves except for God's purposes and God's glory.

If you ever became a pastor, and a mom and dad told you their daughter had just been raped and killed, would you reply, “It is for God’s purposes and His glory that your daughter was raped and killed.” — ???

 

[Believeth]

Quote me scripture that God sovereignly brings about that His commandments be disobeyed for His purposes and His glory.

1 Kings 22:20-23
And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

 

[Ascetic X]

1 Kings 22:20-23
And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Your quote has nothing to do with God sovereignly bring about disobedience to His commandments. Quite the opposite, in fact.

God was weary of Ahab disobeying His commandments. So the good prophet Micaiah declared that God permitted a lying spirit to influence wicked king Ahab’s ungodly prophets, to entice Ahab to unwisely attack Ramoth Gilead. This was God’s punishment upon sinful people.

God punishes sin, because sin goes against God’s purposes and His glory.

If God willed Ahab to disobey His commandments, God would not have punished Ahab through a lying spirit.

 

[Believeth]

Your quote has nothing to do with God sovereignly bring about disobedience to His commandments.

Was it God’s sovereign act to put lying spirit in their mouths when they would otherwise have not been inclined to lie?

 

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Was it God’s sovereign act to put lying spirit in their mouths when they would otherwise have not been inclined to lie?

If God willed Ahab to disobey His commandments, God would not have punished Ahab through a lying spirit.

 

[Ascetic X]

Was it God’s sovereign act to put lying spirit in their mouths when they would otherwise have not been inclined to lie?

This has nothing to do with God wanting sin to happen, it is about the punishment of sin.

 

[Believeth]

This has nothing to do with God wanting sin to happen, it is about the punishment of sin.

But God gave them a lying spirit, indicating that they otherwise would not have. God punishes sin, but God also has the freedom to use sin to accomplish His purposes.