BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Are "Christian values unconstitutional"?
Our constitution prohibits our government from restricting the free exercise of our faith and as part of that freedom it prevents the government from making any law regarding any religion.
That means the admendment is PRO religion not ANTI religion. So the law allowing congress to hire a Christian pastor to start each session with prayer to God -- the Christian God, in no way interfered with what that SAME group of American representatives put together in the constitution and Bill of Rights.
Even the statement in our Declaration of Independence "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men (all mankind not just Christians) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" does not violate the first ammendment!
How "surprising"!!
In the Dover case a small band of liberals have taken it upon themselves to "re-define" the constitution such that it is now "unconstitutional" to allow students in science class to review data in nature that is favorable to Christianity!
For those liberals in Dover it is "unconstiutional" to fail to censor science in favor of atheist evolutionism. In fact "Atheist evolutionism" is now ALL that our "redefined constitution" ALLOWS science to consider when it comes to life, living things, the history of living species. Only "Atheist Darwinian evolutionism" is fit or "Constitutionally safe" to be forced onto ALL students no matter if they are atheist or Christian.
All this censorship is hidden behind the pretense of "protecting our constitutional rights".
The problem is that Christianity overlaps our society in two key areas. The origin of all living species (the broad view of history of living things on this planet and how they came to be here) -- as well as moral values and the sanctity of life. Our Holy Book "the Bible" starts with the Creation of ALL life on earth and the resulting laws and values for human life are then DERIVED from the fact and authority of our CREATOR.
It is fine for the atheist evolutionist to say "yes but not for me" -- but if the Christian must be told that "ONLY the ATHEIST's preference for the history of living things is constitionally valid" then the Christian CAN NOT argue in EITHER Law or Science for the sanctity of human life based on a Creator and Creation facts that are "unconstitutional" and prohibited from factual consideration!
As has been pointed out - our own Declaration of Independance argues FROM the creation fact. In Dover draconian censorship became the law of their land with the result that the Declaration of Independance's appeal to the Creator is now a fact to be censored. A fact they viewed as "unconstitutional".
Similar arguments to those made in our own Declaration of Indepenence could not be made in a Dover court of law for either the sanctity of Marriage or the sanctity of human life or the model for the family or the argument against killing the weak, elderly, sick (all deemed less "fit" in Darwinian scenarios that GENERATE the human species).
In the Bible - man's moral values DERIVE FROM the fact of the Creator and Creation not the other way around. It works the same way in society as it turns out. As much as our atheist wannabe groups here might value the atheist states of Russia and China during their Communist Golden Age - those systems decay over time.
Nazi Germany is a good "logical conclusion" for the idea that "only Darwininan evolutionism" should be "accepted as fact" when it comes to the orign, methods, value and progress of living things over time. They 'Select out' from the population that group that they want to promote and they apply "Darwinian principles for exclusion" to those groups they consider "weak".
Historically we have been able to argue for moral laws and protecting the sanctity of human life by arguing FROM the fact of our Creator and His continued active authority in Creation - but that day is ending.
The U.S Senate has on it's walls frescos of the major law givers/makers of history - and in the center there is Moses with a full frontal view instead of a side view as the rest. The reason is that Moses did not create law - he was GIVEN Law.
The Ten Commandments are engraved on the doors and walls of the U.S. Supreme court. And they have the Creation Memorial Holy Day embedded at their center.
Atheist darwinian evolutionists may be thinking "finally we are getting beyond all that stuff" -- but the question is what are Christians thinking?
In Christ,
Bob
[ January 02, 2006, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]
Our constitution prohibits our government from restricting the free exercise of our faith and as part of that freedom it prevents the government from making any law regarding any religion.
That means the admendment is PRO religion not ANTI religion. So the law allowing congress to hire a Christian pastor to start each session with prayer to God -- the Christian God, in no way interfered with what that SAME group of American representatives put together in the constitution and Bill of Rights.
Even the statement in our Declaration of Independence "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men (all mankind not just Christians) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" does not violate the first ammendment!
How "surprising"!!
In the Dover case a small band of liberals have taken it upon themselves to "re-define" the constitution such that it is now "unconstitutional" to allow students in science class to review data in nature that is favorable to Christianity!
For those liberals in Dover it is "unconstiutional" to fail to censor science in favor of atheist evolutionism. In fact "Atheist evolutionism" is now ALL that our "redefined constitution" ALLOWS science to consider when it comes to life, living things, the history of living species. Only "Atheist Darwinian evolutionism" is fit or "Constitutionally safe" to be forced onto ALL students no matter if they are atheist or Christian.
All this censorship is hidden behind the pretense of "protecting our constitutional rights".
The problem is that Christianity overlaps our society in two key areas. The origin of all living species (the broad view of history of living things on this planet and how they came to be here) -- as well as moral values and the sanctity of life. Our Holy Book "the Bible" starts with the Creation of ALL life on earth and the resulting laws and values for human life are then DERIVED from the fact and authority of our CREATOR.
It is fine for the atheist evolutionist to say "yes but not for me" -- but if the Christian must be told that "ONLY the ATHEIST's preference for the history of living things is constitionally valid" then the Christian CAN NOT argue in EITHER Law or Science for the sanctity of human life based on a Creator and Creation facts that are "unconstitutional" and prohibited from factual consideration!
As has been pointed out - our own Declaration of Independance argues FROM the creation fact. In Dover draconian censorship became the law of their land with the result that the Declaration of Independance's appeal to the Creator is now a fact to be censored. A fact they viewed as "unconstitutional".
Similar arguments to those made in our own Declaration of Indepenence could not be made in a Dover court of law for either the sanctity of Marriage or the sanctity of human life or the model for the family or the argument against killing the weak, elderly, sick (all deemed less "fit" in Darwinian scenarios that GENERATE the human species).
In the Bible - man's moral values DERIVE FROM the fact of the Creator and Creation not the other way around. It works the same way in society as it turns out. As much as our atheist wannabe groups here might value the atheist states of Russia and China during their Communist Golden Age - those systems decay over time.
Nazi Germany is a good "logical conclusion" for the idea that "only Darwininan evolutionism" should be "accepted as fact" when it comes to the orign, methods, value and progress of living things over time. They 'Select out' from the population that group that they want to promote and they apply "Darwinian principles for exclusion" to those groups they consider "weak".
Historically we have been able to argue for moral laws and protecting the sanctity of human life by arguing FROM the fact of our Creator and His continued active authority in Creation - but that day is ending.
The U.S Senate has on it's walls frescos of the major law givers/makers of history - and in the center there is Moses with a full frontal view instead of a side view as the rest. The reason is that Moses did not create law - he was GIVEN Law.
The Ten Commandments are engraved on the doors and walls of the U.S. Supreme court. And they have the Creation Memorial Holy Day embedded at their center.
Atheist darwinian evolutionists may be thinking "finally we are getting beyond all that stuff" -- but the question is what are Christians thinking?
In Christ,
Bob
[ January 02, 2006, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]
