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Evolutionary Creationism

Deacon

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Snips from the introduction of an article called:
Evolutionary Creation: A Christian Approach to Evolution [LINK]
by Denis O. Lamoureux

His book, of the same name is on my (long) list of must reads for those interested in this topic.


Evolutionary creation claims that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit created the universe and life through an ordained, sustained, and design-reflecting evolutionary process.

This view of origins fully embraces both the religious beliefs of biblical Christianity and the scientific theories of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution.
It contends that the Creator established and maintains the laws of nature, including the mechanisms of a teleological evolution. In other words, evolution is a planned and purpose driven natural process.



The most important word in the term evolutionary creation is the noun “creation.”
These Christian evolutionists are first and foremost thoroughly committed and unapologetic creationists.
They believe that the world is a creation that is absolutely dependent for every instant of its existence on the will and grace of the Creator.
The qualifying word in this category is the adjective “evolutionary,” indicating simply the method through which the Lord made the cosmos and living organisms.
This view of origins is often referred to as “theistic evolution.”
However, such a word arrangement places the process of evolution as the primary term, and makes the Creator secondary as merely a qualifying adjective.
Such an inversion in priority is unacceptable to me and other evolutionary creationists.


Intelligent Design in Nature
To explain their view of origins further, evolutionary creationists are also quick to point out to fellow Bible-believing Christians that their approach offers an expanded and more robust understanding of intelligent design in nature.
This version of the design argument for God’s existence appeals to more physical evidence than that proposed by young earth creation (divine
interventions created the entire world in six literal days six thousand years ago; e.g., Henry Morris, Ken Ham) or progressive creation (divine interventions introduced origin of living organisms at different times through six geological periods over 4.5 billion years of earth history; e.g., Hugh Ross).

At one level, evolutionary creation is in full agreement with these anti-evolutionary positions in that design is evident in nature’s current structures and operations. For example, consider the most complex structure known—the human brain. This organ is an electrical circuitry marvel with trillions of synaptic connections, and incredibly much of it develops in the womb beginning from only one fertilized egg. The structure, function, and embryological development of the brain offer a breathtaking level of elegant complexity that few deny reflects the work of an Intelligent Designer.

At another level, evolutionary creation moves beyond the anti-evolutionary positions to argue that intelligent design is also expressed in the processes and mechanisms of evolution. The evolutionary intelligent design argument underlines the majesty, foresight, and rationality mirrored in the natural processes that created the universe and life across the eons of time.

According to this position, the declaration of God’s glory in the creation extends beyond the manifestations seen today to include the incredible self-assembling character of the natural world during the distant past.
More specifically, design is evident in the finely-tuned physical laws and initial conditions necessary for the evolution of the cosmos through the Big Bang, and design is also apparent in the biological processes necessary for life to evolve, including humans with their incredibly complex brains.

Therefore, evolutionary creation offers a wider and stronger design argument than the traditional formulation presented in young earth creation and progressive creation by having an evolutionary component.

This position also predicts that as the evolutionary sciences advance, research will reveal a Creator with unimaginably more power, planning, and splendour than previously believed in earlier generations. To the surprise of many, evolutionary creationists enjoy a greater and more complete intelligent design argument for God’s existence than their anti-evolutionist Christian brothers and sisters.

This book may not convince you to change your views on the topic but it will clear up some misunderstandings that many of us hold regarding this highly charged topic.

Rob
 
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Jim1999

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Rob, Many thanks for this post. It just might open a few eyes and especially hearts toward those of us who have embraced Theistic Evolution for many, many years.

Cheers,

Jim
 

donnA

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you can not define scripture thrugh science, doing so is a compromise, you must define sceince through scripture, othere wise scripture looses it's authority.
 

Deacon

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Scripture draws its authority from God, the author of our written word and the creator of our physical world.

Trying to integrate what we learn from them neither compromises or reduces God's authority.

Rob
 

annsni

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The biggest argument against evolutionary creationism? Death. Death is the central factor in evolution yet the Bible says that death entered the world with sin - and sin began in Adam. So how do we reconcile that?
 

Deacon

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Support your belief by scripture.

Critically examine those scriptures to see if what you think they say is the only interpretation possible.

See if you can provide a critical critque of your own belief.

Rob
 

just-want-peace

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The biggest argument against evolutionary creationism? Death. Death is the central factor in evolution yet the Bible says that death entered the world with sin - and sin began in Adam. So how do we reconcile that?

Keerful gal!!!! You're gonna cause some ugly responses if you continue to use logic along with scripture.

Ain't gonna set well with the "spiritualizers" of His word!!:godisgood:
 

Jim1999

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Remember with your responses, this is not a debate. This is not a debating forum.

Cheers,

Jim
 

Jedi Knight

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Evolution is a lie and it's more hard to believe professing belivers trying to marry it with the Genesis account.
 

Jim1999

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Sorry it was moved.

First, if I remember, debates on evolution were not permitted on the BB, and, now we will be subjected to all the garbage generally proposed.

Cheers,

Jim
 

drfuss

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The biggest argument against evolutionary creationism? Death. Death is the central factor in evolution yet the Bible says that death entered the world with sin - and sin began in Adam. So how do we reconcile that?

Years ago, I attended a two day course on evolutionary creationism. As I recall, they claimed that Adam was the first man and that sin began with Adam about 10,000 years ago. Before that, evolution occurred much the same as the evolutionist claim. The "human remains" that have been found before Adam were not really human, but human like beings that were like the animals and had no soul.

It has been awhile, but I think the above basically reflects their position on Adam and sin. Is anyone else familiar with this?
 
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annsni

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Romans 5 tells us "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin"

Was there death for any other creation than man before Adam sinned?
 

just-want-peace

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Years ago, I attended a two day course on evolutionary creationism. As I recall, they claimed that Adam was the first man and that sin began with Adam about 10,000 years ago. Before that, evolution occurred much the same as the evolutionist claim. The "human remains" that have been found before Adam were not really human, but human like beings that were like the animals and had no soul.

It has been awhile, but I think the above basically reflects their position on Adam and sin. Is anyone else familiar with this?

I've read this somewhere a long time ago, and I never cease to be amazed at the theories that man can whip up to justify science over the Bible.

I wonder what happened to all these "humanoids" if this theory is/was true. :eek:

Perhaps they evolved into today's apes, fish, snakes etc!!??:D

Or maybe the same "asteroid" that kept us from knowing the dinosaurs personally got them too??!!;)
 

SolaSaint

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I believe God created the universe by speaking it into existence. I would imagine most of the Theistic evolutionists would agree this is an All Powerful God. If our God can do that, then what limits Him from doing it in six literal days? :thumbs:
 

matt wade

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Sorry it was moved.

First, if I remember, debates on evolution were not permitted on the BB, and, now we will be subjected to all the garbage generally proposed.

What "garbage" Jim? The "garbage" that God created the earth, man, and all creation just as it says he did in the Bible? That "garbage"?
 

Hawkins

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The problem is not what the Bible's stance about evolution. It is whether evolution stands by itself as a science.

For the time being, it is not. Evolution at the moment is not yet falsifyable. It is not science at all. It is rather a joke.
 
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