Ex Cathedra (and other matters)

[Dualhunter]

Originally posted by LaRae:
Dual,

Do not misquote me. I never said a statement had been made that people could not agree on.

It's my understanding the Pope can still determine a statement he previously made regarding faith and morals to be ex cathedra.

LaRae

"2) He makes it in a form which leaves no doubt of his intention to do just that, AND"

"The Pope is still living and could still declare a statement infallible."

It seems quite clear that there is doubt of his intention to do just that seeing as no one knows for certain if the statement he made was infallible or not.

 

[LaRae]

Dual,

At this point Catholics are supposed to accept he has not made an infallible statement.

It's not like Catholics are huddled up at Churches trying to determine what is and isn't an infallible statement.

LaRae

 

[Dualhunter]

Originally posted by LaRae:
Dual,

At this point Catholics are supposed to accept he has not made an infallible statement.

It's not like Catholics are huddled up at Churches trying to determine what is and isn't an infallible statement.

LaRae

But how could the pope be doing this:

"2) He makes it in a form which leaves no doubt of his intention to do just that, AND"

if he does not make the statement intending that it be taken as infallible but instead latter on decides that it is infallible or maybe the next pope will decide for him.

 

[Astralis]

I've already dealt with this, the 2 different words are used in close proximity, and thus could have easily been made the same word had that been the intent.

Dualhunter,

You say it would be easy to use the same word if that was the intent but you cannot give a man a woman's name. Petra is a name for a woman. Petro is a name for a man. It's especially important because back then those words meant the same thing - the distinction was lost in Greek during Jesus' time; by the first century AD, both petra and petros simply meant "rock." Even Protestant Bible scholars recognize this. See D. A. Carson’s remarks on this passage in the Expositor’s Bible Commentary.