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Exact moment you were saved???
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Abouth Barth
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atpollard
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I lean heavily towards the old Baptist “Already and not yet” …
… so I was ”saved” before the foundation of the earth when God’s plan was established and what WOULD BE was as certain as it it had already happened.
…. And I was saved when the Son of God declared “it is finished” (and it was) and died to redeem me.
…. And I was saved at that moment in time, decades ago, when an angry and self destructive nihilist was utterly transformed by an ordained encounter with the I AM.
… And I am saved daily as His Spirit continues to transform me from what I was towards what He is molding me into.
… And I will ultimately be saved, when I finish the race (by His grace) and He completes the transformation.
Romans 8:30 [NLT] And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory.
Only a Calvinist/Sovereign Grace could answer that question with that statement.
This is declaring to be saved before birth, and is not found in Scripture.
I was saved at 15 years old in a Sunday night service when I repented of my sins believing in what Christ did for me.
Before that I was a sinner separated from the righteousness that Christ earned on that Cross.
37818
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In 33AD Mark 14:12, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?" was a Friday [April 3] the 6th day of the week and the day according to Mark before Mark 14:17.
"And in the evening he cometh with the twelve."
"And in the evening he cometh with the twelve."
Barth never though had the "guts" to admit that he affirmed UniversalismAbouth Barth
Karl Barth - Wikipedia
Actually, Barth had the guts.
His theories, if taken to their conclusion, would be (in my opinion) universalism. But Barth himself would not take them to that conclusion. Instead he, famously or infamously, often declared that he cannot confirm or deny universalism.
But Barth was a conservative Christian in a liberal Christian world.
He also was infamous for his mistress.
he did not hold to inspiration.inerrancy so would not see him that conservative, but he was still much better then what came out from the critical theology from Germany as fruit of higher criticism
Ahh, the Swiss
Ascetic X
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I received salvation when I responded enthusiastically to the gospel, as it was fully explained to me by a pastor at a Mennonite church camp, when I was 15 years old. I repented of my sins, though I did not have a mature understanding of sin or repentance, and begged Jesus to come into my heart, believing He died for my sins and God raised Him from the dead, confessing Him as my Lord and Savior.
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unprofitable
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John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but cannot tell when it cometh, and whether it goeth, so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Reborn dramatically after hearing hey sermon by George Whitfield called the method of grace.
Sounds good to me.
I understand the point he's making. There is no salvation without the death (and resurrection) of Christ.
But no one is saved unless and until he trusts in Christ for salvation (Acts 16:31), and I am quite sure that saving faith is not believing that there was such a person as Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did a lot of good stuff. No! The faith that saves involves seeing oneself as a lost sinner, turning away from sin in one's heart and laying hold of Christ as a drowning man might lay hold of a lifebelt.
I believe I was saved around April 5th 1991. Mrs Marprelate and I had been attending a Brethren assembly for a while and I had come to admire some of the older fellows in the congregation who seemed to have a serenity and a confidence in the future that I lacked. So I decided to believe in Jesus and announced this to the church leadership. Some months later, since neither I nor Mrs Marprelate had robbed a bank or murdered anyone during that time, we were asked if we wanted to be baptized as believers. We were a bit surprised by this at first because we had both been 'christened' into the Church of England as infants. But we looked through the N.T. together and found that there was no evidence for infant 'baptism.'
So a date was set for us to be baptized. We were supposed to say a few words about how are lives had been changed since we were saved, but as I thought about this two days or so before my baptism, God gave me the strongest feeling that I was not saved; that I was the same old sinner that I had always been and on my way to hell. It was at that point that I went down on my knees, repented of my sins and begged the Lord Jesus to save me. When I was baptized on Aprit 7th, it was with a real assurance that I had indeed been saved. Whatever progress I have made as a Christian has been since that date.
unprofitable
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Certain questions come to mind when presented with the doctrine of "I got saved last night." Washer says, "Your profession of faith is no proof you are born again because everybody in this whole country professes faith in Jesus Christ. Bernard tells us that 65-70% of all Americans claim they are saved, born again Christians. The most godless country on the face of the earth, We kill 4,000 babies a day but bless God, 70% of us are born again."
Professions are made for a multitude of reasons including and especially peer pressure. The thought that since I had an emotional experience, it must mean I have been saved, is in the forefront of religion today. A man who attended and supported our church never became a member because he was waiting to be affected like Paul on the road to Damascus. I also have a relative who said she was glad all her children were saved and made professions of faith inspite of my wondering how much can a 6 or 7 year old know about sin and the doctrines of faith. Was the profession for the benefit of the child or possibly more likely the mother? I am not saying these feelings are invalid but why do some people seem to quickly fail to continue in the faith they says they have
I remember from an early age wanting to be saved and made a profession of faith but because I never had the "feeling" I often question my own salvation. I have been questioned whether I was saved because I had a significant difference in doctrinal issues with other relatives.
Upon examining the scriptures I find comfort in the knowledge that "the just shall life by faith" and not a feeling or emotional experience. We see this brought out in Matthew 13:18-23. It would also seem that the current question of what was the exact moment we were saved could possibly be asked in a different manner in light of the following scriptures.
John 3:8 "The wind bloweth whereeth it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whether it goeth, so is EVERYONE that is born of the Spirit.
John 3:3 "...Except a man be born again, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God." This verse can also be worded Excep a man can see the kingdom of God, He has NOT been born again. We could then ask instead of exactly what second you were saved, we can ask, when did you begin to see the manifestation of the kingdom of God?
1 John 3:14
Professions are made for a multitude of reasons including and especially peer pressure. The thought that since I had an emotional experience, it must mean I have been saved, is in the forefront of religion today. A man who attended and supported our church never became a member because he was waiting to be affected like Paul on the road to Damascus. I also have a relative who said she was glad all her children were saved and made professions of faith inspite of my wondering how much can a 6 or 7 year old know about sin and the doctrines of faith. Was the profession for the benefit of the child or possibly more likely the mother? I am not saying these feelings are invalid but why do some people seem to quickly fail to continue in the faith they says they have
I remember from an early age wanting to be saved and made a profession of faith but because I never had the "feeling" I often question my own salvation. I have been questioned whether I was saved because I had a significant difference in doctrinal issues with other relatives.
Upon examining the scriptures I find comfort in the knowledge that "the just shall life by faith" and not a feeling or emotional experience. We see this brought out in Matthew 13:18-23. It would also seem that the current question of what was the exact moment we were saved could possibly be asked in a different manner in light of the following scriptures.
John 3:8 "The wind bloweth whereeth it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whether it goeth, so is EVERYONE that is born of the Spirit.
John 3:3 "...Except a man be born again, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God." This verse can also be worded Excep a man can see the kingdom of God, He has NOT been born again. We could then ask instead of exactly what second you were saved, we can ask, when did you begin to see the manifestation of the kingdom of God?
1 John 3:14
Who is Bernard???
unprofitable
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1 John 3:14 We KNOW we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
We can then ask ourselved when and what evidence do we have or whenn did we first begin to see we love the brethren in the context of the body of Christ as the kingdom of God?
Your thoughts my brethren.
1 John 3:14 We KNOW we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
We can then ask ourselved when and what evidence do we have or whenn did we first begin to see we love the brethren in the context of the body of Christ as the kingdom of God?
Your thoughts my brethren.
unprofitable
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Washer did not provide his first name. I have to assume his reference is valid without being able to verify. I would believe it is a rather older statistic given the current state of affairs but given the easy Jesus philosophy I am not sure.