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Exact moment you were saved???

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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
This is what I believe and I catch flack from both sides, Calvinists and non-Calvinists , but so be it!

The faith is in the message of the Gospel.

Remember Paul said, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

When a person hears the Gospel that Paul preached and shame on our preachers who don't preach that same Gospel, the Holy Spirit works from that hearing making the truth of the Gospel real in the heart.

If man accepts that Gospel then the Holy Spirit provides with that conviction the faith needed to believe unto eternal life.

Paul said that, "from the heart man believes unto righteousness."

The heart is convicted, the heart believes, and righteousness is imputed through that faith.
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@unprofitable

Paul explains all of this in Romans 10.

Romans is called the heart of the Bible. It's where Paul explains exactly what we must do to be saved, where the faith to believe comes from, why some will not be saved, the entire time using Israel as the example.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
@unprofitable

Paul explains all of this in Romans 10.

Romans is called the heart of the Bible. It's where Paul explains exactly what we must do to be saved, where the faith to believe comes from, why some will not be saved, the entire time using Israel as the example.
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I've always described the Book of Romans the most important Book in the Bible.

Paul tells us who we are to God, where we have been, where we are, and where we are going.

And only Paul gives us this vital information.

It's a Book I have read many more times than any other Book, I have no idea how many times I've read it and will continue to read it as long as I'm here.
 
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unprofitable

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Charlie24 said:
This is what I believe and I catch flack from both sides, Calvinists and non-Calvinists , but so be it!

The faith is in the message of the Gospel.

Remember Paul said, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

When a person hears the Gospel that Paul preached and shame on our preachers who don't preach that same Gospel, the Holy Spirit works from that hearing making the truth of the Gospel real in the heart.

If man accepts that Gospel then the Holy Spirit provides with that conviction the faith needed to believe unto eternal life.

Paul said that, "from the heart man believes unto righteousness."

The heart is convicted, the heart believes, and righteousness is imputed through that faith.
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When you do a sturdy of the word gospel it is called the gospel of the kingdom in 5 verses. Mt 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Mk 1:14,15. The gospel then become the glad tidings or good news of the kingdom of God revealed or put in order. Christ then goes on to reveal it saying the kingdom of God is "like unto" in Mt 13:31, 33. 44, 45, 47. 52, 18:23, 20:11, 22:2, and 25:1. The kingdom of God is mentioned 54 times in the 4 gospels.

In Matthew 6:33 Christ tells us to "seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness." This is included in instruction of how men might not perish but be preserved in a sure house. Mt 16:18

Since the Lord never leaves his people alone to wander around by themselves, and his part of his covenant is to gather his people together ( Jer 32:37-44, Ps 147:2, Isa 56:8 to name a few) how do we teach the gospel in the context of the righteousness of Christ and leave out the teachings of the kingdom? How can the heart of man believe unto righteousness and not be taught it in the context of the kingdom. Christ went to great lenght to instruct his disciples on how to recognize the true kingdom of God. To teach that salvation can be received and the teaching of the kingdom not be necessary would seem to negate an important part of the doctrines of faith and salvation.
 
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Charlie24

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unprofitable said:
When you do a sturdy of the word gospel it is called the gospel of the kingdom in 5 verses. Mt 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Mk 1:14,15. The gospel then become the glad tidings or good news of the kingdom of God revealed or put in order. Christ then goes on to reveal it saying the kingdom of God is "like unto" in Mt 13:31, 33. 44, 45, 47. 52, 18:23, 20:11, 22:2, and 25:1. The kingdom of God is mentioned 54 times in the 4 gospels.

In Matthew 6:33 Christ tells us to "seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness." This is included in instruction of how men might not perish but be preserved in a sure house. Mt 16:18

Since the Lord never leaves his people alone to wander around by themselves, and his part of his covenant is to gather his people together ( Jer 32:37-44, Ps 147:2, Isa 56:8 to name a few) how do we teach the gospel in the context of the righteousness of Christ and leave out the teachings of the kingdom? How can the heart of man believe unto righteousness and not be taught it in the context of the kingdom. Christ went to great lenght to instruct his disciples on how to recognize the true kingdom of God. To teach that salvation can be received and the teaching of the kingdom not be necessary would seem to negate an important part of the doctrines of faith and salvation.
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Christ was under the Law and taught under the Law revealing its true depth, whereas the Jews had lost their way.

Better be careful of the concept Christ taught and understand what it actually meant.

But that's why Paul was given about a third of the NT Scripture to explain it to us.
 
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unprofitable

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Christ told the Jews the kingdom of God is in the midst of you (Luke 17:21) in the form of the beginnings of the New Covenant church.

Christ came preaching the gospel or glad tidings of the kingdom of God. (Mt 4:23 and 9:35)

He came to fulfill the law and restore or set in order the right understanding of the old Covenant and strip national Isreal of her authority to be the light of the nations because she had perverted that same doctrine.

Matthew 21:43 tells them the kingdom along with its authority would be taken and give to a nation to whom the Holy Spirit would be given. There is not other candidate but the literal local assembly as built by our savior. Matt 16:18

This same gospel of the kingdom would be perpetuated by the apostles with the church at Jerusalem and through its ministry. Paul also was included as a teacher of that same gospel as seen in Acts 8:12, 20:25 and especially as in Acts 28:31 "Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, no man forbidding him.

All things of the old testament point toward His work and resulting kingdom/people.

Luke 24:27 tells us that in His resurrected interaction wih the two on the road to Emmaus that, " And beginning at Moses and ALL the prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the scriptures the things concerning himself.

The foundation is laid in Christ as it is said in 1 Cor 3:11 "For other foundation can no man lay that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The same Christ also giving command to us to "Seek ye first the KINGDOM of God and his righteousness. It is the everlasting kingdom and its covenant set in order from before the foundation of the world.

Ps 9:16 tells us "The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth..." Indeed we must be cautious of how we teach Christ and his gospel. His judgment, which both identifies Christ and his kingdom, come out of the New Covenant given to his people as evidenced by the above verses. Christ is never separated from his people and his kingdom as he is the head/Lord/king of the church and savior of the body. Eph 5:23, Col 1:18

I hope clarifies a little more where we stand as a body of Christ.
 
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kyredneck

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Charlie24 said:
Just so you can understand what some of us believe, K. Not trying to start an argument.

"Ordained" means to be arranged, set in order beforehand by God.

God knew who would believe and "ordained, set in order" for them to be there to hear the Word so they could be saved.
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Ascetic X said:
Yes. When they were ordained or foreknown came first. When they believed to be saved came later.
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You CDS ignoramus's, be glad God's not like me, I'd strike all of you down with a bad case of the piles, or shingles for stealing my glory and magnifying yours.
 
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