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Experienced any Supernatural Encounters with EVIL?
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Posted by Johnv
, good one John! Im going to have to write that one down.
LOL,
Hello to everyone, I am a brand new member to this forum today. I sure hope you don't think I am a nut-case after you read this, but it is the truth and happened to my family about 15 years ago. I am a very normal "rational" down to earth type. But here goes.
In 1989 my family moved from Florida to New England. My daughter who was 13 at the time continued to talk with her best friend over the following months. Her friend was a good girl who went to church with us every week. But after we moved this friend made new friends who were into the occult and the Ouija borad. She told my daughter over the phone that the Ouija board "really moved". She also began to tell my daughter that things around her would move at times. I told my daughter to tell her friend to stay far away from these things.
That Christmas my daughter's friend came up to stay with us over the holidays. She had never seen a snowflake. The day we picked her up at the airport it began to snow heavily on the way home. We had a 15" snow. She was thrilled and we were all happy for her. So the visit started out well.
But over the two weeks my daughter's friend constantly talked about things moving. And then my daughter started telling us that she believed some things in her room were indeed moving around. I got so upset that I yelled at my daughter's friend and said I did not want to hear another word on the subject. I told her she should never have anything whatsoever to do with the occult or witchcraft and should avoid those who do. She dropped the subject and went home at New Year's.
But over time strange things began to happen. First of all, my daughter lived in a nice bedroom we had made her in the basement. We had 4 children and only 3 bedrooms. But it was a beautiful room and my daughter loved the privacy.
Anyway, my daughter began to complain about things moving in her room. I remember once she came up and complained to my wife that her younger sisters had been in her room and thrown her clean clothes laid out on her bed on the floor while she showered upstairs. But my wife was with her sisters the whole time and the young ones were never down there. So we began to notice incidents like this. They did not happen often. Sometimes something would happen and then nothing else would happen for 6 months or longer.
One Christmas about 2 years later my daughter was down in her room with her best friend (this is a different girl). My daughter had two beds in her room. I had given my daughter a type of disco light show for Christmas. They were laying in seperate beds with the lights off, girl talking and just watching the pretty lights all over the room. Suddenly, the light slid across her large dresser and crashed into the mirror and overturned. This was a fairly large light that no mouse could move. We did not have any pets at all. My daughter and her friend came up very excited and told me. Both girls are very good girls and students. I believed they were telling me the truth. I honestly had no explanation for this incident.
Then maybe a year after that my daughter shook me and woke me up around 3 A.M.. She was very excited and frightened. She told me she was sleeping when she heard a loud noise that woke her. She sat up in the dark and looked around her room. On this same dresser she had a large crystal candleholder. She said this candleholder was vibrating violently and this was making the noise. As she stared at the candleholder it shot through the air straight at her. She said she thought it was going to hit her in the face. Her bed was an old fashioned canopy bed without the curtains. The candleholder struck the wood above her head, shot to the floor and shattered to pieces. She rushed upstairs and woke me up.
I went down with her to her room. I saw the broken glass all over the floor. The first thing I did was check her windows, but they were all closed. I was perplexed. As I said, we had no pets and no problems with mice or rats that we were ever aware of. My daughter showed me where the candleholder struck the bed. It left a fairly deep dent in the wood. I also questioned my daughter several times. I asked whether maybe a mouse had knocked the candleholder off and that woke her. Maybe she had dreamed it all. But my daughter was very insistent that she was awake and saw the candleholder fly right through the air at her.
My daughter was so frightened by this that she slept on the couch upstairs for about 2 months. But finally she got tired of being scared and started sleeping in her room again. We had many Bibles in the house. She put about 4 or 5 Bibles around her bed and always left the light on.
This is all true. I am not exagerrating anything.
Then, maybe a year later it came to a crisis. One day my wife was in the laundry room right next to my daughter's bedroom folding clothes. She felt a human hand on her back that tugged at her clothes. She thought it was one of the kids and said, "Stop that." But when she turned around nobody was there. She told me this story when I came home from work. Then about a week later she was in my daughter's room when again she felt a hand on her back pulling at her clothes. Again she turned around quickly. Our son was in the room but maybe 15 feet away from her. She asked him if he touched her but he said no.
Then, about 2 days after this my oldest daughter was going down the stairs into the basement. She was holding our youngest daughter on her hip. My daughter felt a hand on her back that was pushing her down the stairs. She had to grab on the banister and hold tight to keep from falling. She was struggling against this force that was still trying to push her down the stairs. My younger daughter was also trying to strike or fight against this invisible force. My oldest daughter said she was swinging her arms like she was trying to strike someone. My youngest was about 1 1/2 years old.
That was it. Our whole family was shaken and frightened. They all looked to me to solve this problem. I had no idea what to do. Everybody was very upset.
So I walked over to our assistant Pastor's house. He lived on the next street from me. I thought he would think I am crazy. But I told him we had a real problem and would he please come over and pray for this thing to go away. He must have seen how sincere I was, because he came straight over.
He talked with us a little first. The first thing he said upset me a little. He said this would not be happening unless God allowed it. That made me a little mad. Why would God allow this evil thing in our house? Our Pastor could not tell us why God would allow it.
Then he did pray for our family and that this thing would leave. We moved out of that house within a year and had no more incidents.
This story is true. I never believed in this type of thing. I believe the Bible and in demons, but I did not think that type of thing happened very often in this age. And I never believed it would happen in our home.
Believe me, this is not something you want to experience. We did not like this invisible person at all. It makes it impossible to feel comfortable in your own home. You also wondered constantly if this thing was watching you.
We all felt that this person was a female that did not like other women. But we really don't know for sure what it was.
I am just glad it's gone.
[ September 24, 2005, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: JWI ]
In 1989 my family moved from Florida to New England. My daughter who was 13 at the time continued to talk with her best friend over the following months. Her friend was a good girl who went to church with us every week. But after we moved this friend made new friends who were into the occult and the Ouija borad. She told my daughter over the phone that the Ouija board "really moved". She also began to tell my daughter that things around her would move at times. I told my daughter to tell her friend to stay far away from these things.
That Christmas my daughter's friend came up to stay with us over the holidays. She had never seen a snowflake. The day we picked her up at the airport it began to snow heavily on the way home. We had a 15" snow. She was thrilled and we were all happy for her. So the visit started out well.
But over the two weeks my daughter's friend constantly talked about things moving. And then my daughter started telling us that she believed some things in her room were indeed moving around. I got so upset that I yelled at my daughter's friend and said I did not want to hear another word on the subject. I told her she should never have anything whatsoever to do with the occult or witchcraft and should avoid those who do. She dropped the subject and went home at New Year's.
But over time strange things began to happen. First of all, my daughter lived in a nice bedroom we had made her in the basement. We had 4 children and only 3 bedrooms. But it was a beautiful room and my daughter loved the privacy.
Anyway, my daughter began to complain about things moving in her room. I remember once she came up and complained to my wife that her younger sisters had been in her room and thrown her clean clothes laid out on her bed on the floor while she showered upstairs. But my wife was with her sisters the whole time and the young ones were never down there. So we began to notice incidents like this. They did not happen often. Sometimes something would happen and then nothing else would happen for 6 months or longer.
One Christmas about 2 years later my daughter was down in her room with her best friend (this is a different girl). My daughter had two beds in her room. I had given my daughter a type of disco light show for Christmas. They were laying in seperate beds with the lights off, girl talking and just watching the pretty lights all over the room. Suddenly, the light slid across her large dresser and crashed into the mirror and overturned. This was a fairly large light that no mouse could move. We did not have any pets at all. My daughter and her friend came up very excited and told me. Both girls are very good girls and students. I believed they were telling me the truth. I honestly had no explanation for this incident.
Then maybe a year after that my daughter shook me and woke me up around 3 A.M.. She was very excited and frightened. She told me she was sleeping when she heard a loud noise that woke her. She sat up in the dark and looked around her room. On this same dresser she had a large crystal candleholder. She said this candleholder was vibrating violently and this was making the noise. As she stared at the candleholder it shot through the air straight at her. She said she thought it was going to hit her in the face. Her bed was an old fashioned canopy bed without the curtains. The candleholder struck the wood above her head, shot to the floor and shattered to pieces. She rushed upstairs and woke me up.
I went down with her to her room. I saw the broken glass all over the floor. The first thing I did was check her windows, but they were all closed. I was perplexed. As I said, we had no pets and no problems with mice or rats that we were ever aware of. My daughter showed me where the candleholder struck the bed. It left a fairly deep dent in the wood. I also questioned my daughter several times. I asked whether maybe a mouse had knocked the candleholder off and that woke her. Maybe she had dreamed it all. But my daughter was very insistent that she was awake and saw the candleholder fly right through the air at her.
My daughter was so frightened by this that she slept on the couch upstairs for about 2 months. But finally she got tired of being scared and started sleeping in her room again. We had many Bibles in the house. She put about 4 or 5 Bibles around her bed and always left the light on.
This is all true. I am not exagerrating anything.
Then, maybe a year later it came to a crisis. One day my wife was in the laundry room right next to my daughter's bedroom folding clothes. She felt a human hand on her back that tugged at her clothes. She thought it was one of the kids and said, "Stop that." But when she turned around nobody was there. She told me this story when I came home from work. Then about a week later she was in my daughter's room when again she felt a hand on her back pulling at her clothes. Again she turned around quickly. Our son was in the room but maybe 15 feet away from her. She asked him if he touched her but he said no.
Then, about 2 days after this my oldest daughter was going down the stairs into the basement. She was holding our youngest daughter on her hip. My daughter felt a hand on her back that was pushing her down the stairs. She had to grab on the banister and hold tight to keep from falling. She was struggling against this force that was still trying to push her down the stairs. My younger daughter was also trying to strike or fight against this invisible force. My oldest daughter said she was swinging her arms like she was trying to strike someone. My youngest was about 1 1/2 years old.
That was it. Our whole family was shaken and frightened. They all looked to me to solve this problem. I had no idea what to do. Everybody was very upset.
So I walked over to our assistant Pastor's house. He lived on the next street from me. I thought he would think I am crazy. But I told him we had a real problem and would he please come over and pray for this thing to go away. He must have seen how sincere I was, because he came straight over.
He talked with us a little first. The first thing he said upset me a little. He said this would not be happening unless God allowed it. That made me a little mad. Why would God allow this evil thing in our house? Our Pastor could not tell us why God would allow it.
Then he did pray for our family and that this thing would leave. We moved out of that house within a year and had no more incidents.
This story is true. I never believed in this type of thing. I believe the Bible and in demons, but I did not think that type of thing happened very often in this age. And I never believed it would happen in our home.
Believe me, this is not something you want to experience. We did not like this invisible person at all. It makes it impossible to feel comfortable in your own home. You also wondered constantly if this thing was watching you.
We all felt that this person was a female that did not like other women. But we really don't know for sure what it was.
I am just glad it's gone.
[ September 24, 2005, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: JWI ]
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TexasSky
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We, as Christians, need to accept the entire bible. The bible speaks, often, of the presence of demons in this world, and of the fact that they are active in this world.
I did once and to this day it sickens me that I ever touched a ouija board.
When I was 16 my friend and I would play with her ouija board. Up until I met her I had never used one. The little felt tips that helped the triangle thing glide across the board had become flattened and were scraping the board so we went to the drugstore and bought another ouija game.
I think we had it for a few days before it happened. We typically just asked it stupid things like who we would marry, how many kids we would have, etc. This may not make as much sense if you've never really seen one close up but one day we decided to try to call up a spirit. I don't even remember exactly what we asked it but at one point we asked where it came from and it answered, "escaped from hell." This freaked us out so we went to put our brand new game away for the night. When we took out the box we realized that one of the felt tips had busted through the cardboard in a perfect circle---ONLY the felt tip,not the plastic it slid into. The felt tip had worked it's way out of the plastic and somehow that little piece of felt managed to bust its way out of the box.
This probably doesn't make sense if you've never played with a ouija board before but the little triangle thing that had the felt-tipped gliders had a specific place in the box to sit. Nothing else sat there except for the glider. There was a perfect circular hole in the box and the felt tip that sat over top of that exact spot was hanging out of the glider very far. There was no other way that hole could've ever gotten in that brand new box and had been in the exact perfect location it was in.
After this my friend put it in her closet and we never played again. I remember she wouldn't throw it away because she had heard stories about people throwing them away only to have them reappear. I'm not sure what I think of that; it's just what she told me at the time. Oh, I remember. She said it was her mother who had that happen.
I don't even really know what I believe as far as demons physically being able to make something like what happened to us happen. I just know that it happened and it scared me out of ever using a ouija board again. I agree with the above poster. Ouija boards are for real.
Lucy
When I was 16 my friend and I would play with her ouija board. Up until I met her I had never used one. The little felt tips that helped the triangle thing glide across the board had become flattened and were scraping the board so we went to the drugstore and bought another ouija game.
I think we had it for a few days before it happened. We typically just asked it stupid things like who we would marry, how many kids we would have, etc. This may not make as much sense if you've never really seen one close up but one day we decided to try to call up a spirit. I don't even remember exactly what we asked it but at one point we asked where it came from and it answered, "escaped from hell." This freaked us out so we went to put our brand new game away for the night. When we took out the box we realized that one of the felt tips had busted through the cardboard in a perfect circle---ONLY the felt tip,not the plastic it slid into. The felt tip had worked it's way out of the plastic and somehow that little piece of felt managed to bust its way out of the box.
This probably doesn't make sense if you've never played with a ouija board before but the little triangle thing that had the felt-tipped gliders had a specific place in the box to sit. Nothing else sat there except for the glider. There was a perfect circular hole in the box and the felt tip that sat over top of that exact spot was hanging out of the glider very far. There was no other way that hole could've ever gotten in that brand new box and had been in the exact perfect location it was in.
After this my friend put it in her closet and we never played again. I remember she wouldn't throw it away because she had heard stories about people throwing them away only to have them reappear. I'm not sure what I think of that; it's just what she told me at the time. Oh, I remember. She said it was her mother who had that happen.
I don't even really know what I believe as far as demons physically being able to make something like what happened to us happen. I just know that it happened and it scared me out of ever using a ouija board again. I agree with the above poster. Ouija boards are for real.
Lucy
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5xBlessed
A group of girls I know tell me that when they played with a Ouija board they asked it who they spoke to and it told them something like, "I have been here since the beginning of man," and they said, "You're God?" And it started cursing. So they asked if it was in the Garden of Eden, and it said, "Yes." And they asked, "Are you Adam?" And it said, "I knew Adam."
They may have been making it up, but they acted frightened and acted like they believed the story they related.
A group of girls I know tell me that when they played with a Ouija board they asked it who they spoke to and it told them something like, "I have been here since the beginning of man," and they said, "You're God?" And it started cursing. So they asked if it was in the Garden of Eden, and it said, "Yes." And they asked, "Are you Adam?" And it said, "I knew Adam."
They may have been making it up, but they acted frightened and acted like they believed the story they related.
Many of you know I was married before to a man who was consistently unfaithful. He was also head usher in our church. The last year or two of our marriage, before he left with one of his numerous other women, he had several episodes of waking up in the middle of the night terrified of demons he said were in our room. I never saw anything or felt anything and was sleeping soundly while he was sitting up terrified. I would learn about it the next morning.
He was not someone to ever exaggerate, actually. He was not someone who was afraid of things. He was the one who would get up and go check bumps in the night if I heard something that wasn't a kid or a dog. In other words, his terror was real.
Personally, I think God may have allowed it as a warning to him about the choices he was making. He told me later that he figured it was because God had not blessed our marriage and so he used it as part of his arsenal of excuses to leave after 20 years of marriage and six children (five of whom are adopted special case).
He left in 1991. The kids are grown now and, except for our retarded son, gone. He did not keep in touch with any of them by a card or anything after the first year. His wife will not allow him to talk to me. Recently, however, my oldest daughter spoke with him on the phone. She told me he sounded incredibly sad. He was a contractor, and an excellent one, while we were married. He now works as a carpenter for someone else -- possibly since he fell off a roof some few years ago and broke his back.
I think perhaps the warnings were real. I know the consequences have been.
He was not someone to ever exaggerate, actually. He was not someone who was afraid of things. He was the one who would get up and go check bumps in the night if I heard something that wasn't a kid or a dog. In other words, his terror was real.
Personally, I think God may have allowed it as a warning to him about the choices he was making. He told me later that he figured it was because God had not blessed our marriage and so he used it as part of his arsenal of excuses to leave after 20 years of marriage and six children (five of whom are adopted special case).
He left in 1991. The kids are grown now and, except for our retarded son, gone. He did not keep in touch with any of them by a card or anything after the first year. His wife will not allow him to talk to me. Recently, however, my oldest daughter spoke with him on the phone. She told me he sounded incredibly sad. He was a contractor, and an excellent one, while we were married. He now works as a carpenter for someone else -- possibly since he fell off a roof some few years ago and broke his back.
I think perhaps the warnings were real. I know the consequences have been.
Robertguwapo:
You will identify the places, but others here won't.
In San Jose del Monte, Bulacan, there is a church there whose pastor is named George Intong and his ministry is to 'cast out' demons.
I was a church worker there back in 1992 or thereabouts, when I was with the missionary baptists.
We had this visitor, a pretty, ankle-length haired, 15 year old girl from Bicol, whose cousin was a member in that church.
All was well until we sang the hymn 'Are You Washed in the Blood' and opened our Bibles to the text. The pastor, George Intong, was filling in the pulpit in another church, and we had a deacon preaching the message that day.
The girl dropped like a dead stump to the floor, loud thump and all, and went all rigid, her eyes rolled back, only the whites visible, and started to froth and utter gibberish right there in front of everybody else.
We took her to the pastor's living room at the back of the church, and the pastor's wife asked me to watch her and make sure she doesn't walk out and back to the church because the enemy, Satan, wanted the services disrupted.
So, I did.
I sat there, and she had her eyes closed, and she was breathing soft and rhytymically and all of a sudden she would breath hard and erratic and open her eyes, and stare at me (or the ceiling) with only those whites.
Her hands would change from soft woman's to oily, veined, clawlike man's, and on her forehead would appear this marble-sized under the skin kind of thing that would travel back and forth accross her forehead.
I just sat there throughout the whole show until the services were over and the menfolk of the church came in and started working on her, 'casting out' demons, and this activity went on well to the night, until George Intong, the pastor, came, and joined.
At about 8 or 9 pm that night, this girl's hair just shot up like somebody electrified and she bent over and .....get ready for this, y'all...
she burped. Once, but long and hard and the air that came out of her just lifted that part of her hair that was hanging down over her face.
I felt that air rush out of her and through the door about 20 feet away. After which her features returned to normal, and she asked what was going on, and George pronounced her 'cured'.
Now, I do believe that is demonic possession.
Evil ? Well, now, let's see....there's Ted Bundy, Henry Lucas, Jeffey Dahmer, and company here in the States. Some would call them psychologically disturbed. I call that rubbish. They're evil in the flesh.
What do you all think about the current trend of "seeing" angels and demons? I have a friend who claims he can see them. I have my doubts! It seems to me like the trend of the 1970's when tongues were so popular and everyone was doing it. My sister is getting involved and has had some experience of seeing things. I would like to be able to tell if this is of God. Any advice?
What do you all think about the current trend of "seeing" angels and demons? I have a friend who claims he can see them. I have my doubts! It seems to me like the trend of the 1970's when tongues were so popular and everyone was doing it. My sister is getting involved and has had some experience of seeing things. I would like to be able to tell if this is of God. Any advice?
Plain Old Bill
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Well reading this thread has certainly been an education.
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TexasSky
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Johnv,
I agree with you, and I stated, either in this thread or in a similiar thread, that I think Christians who deal with this should be trained in dealing with it, and that they should work in teams.
It is a VERY dangerous ministry. Satan does attack those that attack his demons.
It isn't something the average "new Christian" needs to try to handle.
I agree with you, and I stated, either in this thread or in a similiar thread, that I think Christians who deal with this should be trained in dealing with it, and that they should work in teams.
It is a VERY dangerous ministry. Satan does attack those that attack his demons.
It isn't something the average "new Christian" needs to try to handle.
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TexasSky
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Gwen,
I've been a Christian for almost 42 years, and I've seen and heard a great many things like this, but its usually whispered quietly in small groups of Christians who feel they can trust one another because people are terrified of being labled nuts.
I also think that too much discussion of it can lead to a "group hysteria" that feeds fears and imaginations.
Yes, demons exist, they are active, they are dangerous, and yes, angels exist, they are active, they are serving God. That doesn't mean every Christian should expect to encounter either in their life time. Look at how few believers in God (O.T.) or Christians (N.T.) in the bible ever saw either.
If in doubt, pray.
If you think it is a demon - go to someone trained in dealing with demons in your church. A missionary, a senior pastor.
As they say on tv. "Don't try this at home. Let the professionals handle it."
I've been a Christian for almost 42 years, and I've seen and heard a great many things like this, but its usually whispered quietly in small groups of Christians who feel they can trust one another because people are terrified of being labled nuts.
I also think that too much discussion of it can lead to a "group hysteria" that feeds fears and imaginations.
Yes, demons exist, they are active, they are dangerous, and yes, angels exist, they are active, they are serving God. That doesn't mean every Christian should expect to encounter either in their life time. Look at how few believers in God (O.T.) or Christians (N.T.) in the bible ever saw either.
If in doubt, pray.
If you think it is a demon - go to someone trained in dealing with demons in your church. A missionary, a senior pastor.
As they say on tv. "Don't try this at home. Let the professionals handle it."
As would I. The Puritans saw demons under just about every rock, and often in the literal sense. They were so preoccupied with the topic that the Salem Witch Trials were the result, and several innocent people paid the price.
Why is is that when we see God, we say "oh, it's only you", but when we see Satan, we give him all the attention in the world? Should it not be the other way around???
You know, I think that's what worries me with this situation. It's the emphasis on what you see, not on worshipping Jesus and your relationship with Him. The focus seems to be on how cool it is to "see" things. I think it is possible that God can open our eyes and we would see things in the supernatural world, but it's not very likely. But how do I tell if this friend is having an experience that is from God? Is there any way to tell?
Magnetic Poles
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From reading this thread, I'd say if it involves talking wolves, invisible hands or board games, you might want to stay away!
Since I don't have much contact with other people from around the country I would like to know if this is spreading around the world. Is this a phenomenon similar to the tongues movement in the mid 1970's? I have advised my sister to stay away from this person who sees this stuff, but she is being drawn in. What should I do?
I've told my story to a few people and never can tell what they think. I had a friend back then who used to play Ouija with his friends and, I can't remember the entire story because there was more to it than I remember, he said he had a Catholic crucifix hanging on his bedroom wall and when he went home that night the cross was still on the wall but the metal Jesus statue thing had fallen off onto the floor and the area on the wall around the cross was glowing red. He seemed to believe what he was saying really happened to him. I have no idea if it's true or not. I just know that what happened to that Ouija box couldn't have happened by accident. It just isn't possible. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that I dabbled in that evil.
Lucy
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TexasSky
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Gwen,
I believe the test of whether it is Godly or not is whether it glorifies God or not. If it was someone I know, I would ask them to pray that God either show you how it glorifies Him/is to be used by Him, - or that God take whatever it away.
I believe the test of whether it is Godly or not is whether it glorifies God or not. If it was someone I know, I would ask them to pray that God either show you how it glorifies Him/is to be used by Him, - or that God take whatever it away.