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Experts Agree: Metrodome produces heavy home field advantage

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by Andy T., May 15, 2007.

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  1. TomVols

    TomVols New Member

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    Agreed. An even better idea is that it would not have a corporate name that would change every 3 years like so many other ballparks/stadiums. I'm not opposed to big business or anything, but I just hate the stadiums changing names every time we turn around.
     
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  2. Surfer Joe

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    :laugh: :applause:
     
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  3. Surfer Joe

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    Yes, I agree. I hate corporate names actually. I miss the old creative names.
     
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  4. Bro. Curtis

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    Yeah, like Wrigley Field. :laugh:
     
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  5. ccrobinson

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    Sometimes he is. I had this really long post about why Joe Morgan is no expert, but I decided to just save it rather than post it. If you want examples, well, there is at least one site I know of that has numerous examples available.

    Joe Morgan as expert analyst doesn't really help Andy's obvious cause, which is the total destruction of the Metrodome. :laugh:
     
    #25 ccrobinson, May 15, 2007
  6. EdSutton

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    You are correct. I made a mis-cue.

    I mis-identified the Univ. of Minnesota team name, in calling them the team name of, among others, the Univ. of Washington, the Univ. of Connecticut, Bloomberg, Southern Maine, Northeastern, St Cloud State, and Michigan Tech.

    Ed
     
    #26 EdSutton, May 15, 2007
  7. TomVols

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    I'd be glad to see the site.

    Bro Curtis, Wrigley Field doesn't bother me because it's been Wrigley for a thousand years.
     
    #27 TomVols, May 15, 2007
  8. Surfer Joe

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    As Tom said, it's been Wrigley Field for a thousand years. :laugh: .

    Tiger Stadium. Comerica Park. Tiger Stadium is a baseball stadium name. Comerica Park is a theme park named after a bank that the Tigers happen to play baseball in.
     
    #28 Surfer Joe, May 16, 2007
  9. Dale-c

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    Wrigley field is not a corporate sponsored name but is, coincidentally the same Wrigley as teh chewing gum company, simply because the same guy owned both. Nothing wrong with that. Wrigley actually OWNED the stadium.
    RCA sure doesn't own the RCA dome here in Indy.
    However, we got it right with our awesome new AAA baseball stadium, Victory Field with no corporate naming rights.
    It is the nicest stadium I have ever been to.

    As for the metrodome I have never been there.
    my father-in-law grew up in Minneapolis and used to go to the open air stadium.
    I have heard many say that they hate going indoors on a summer day to watch a baseball game.
    Also, the retractable roof idea was not accepted because it would add to much to the cost.
     
    #29 Dale-c, May 16, 2007
  10. Andy T.

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    Ed, re post #14 - I never said the words "unfair" did I? My point in all this is that Twins are lucky to have won two W.S. in '87 and '91. I'm not saying we should take away their trophies because it was unfair. I'm just asking that we keep those two wins in context - that they were very lucky to have won them, and that overall, those teams are among the least deserving of recent W.S. champs.
     
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  11. Andy T.

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    8-0 at home and 0-6 on the road in two W.S. appearances don't lie. I think it is a fair assessment that the Twins would not have won if those years would have been even-numbered.

    Sorry about the Reds. At least Griffey is doing well.
     
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  12. Andy T.

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    Ed, also re post #14 - I do like many of the quirks of the old stadiums. It does bring character into the game. But I hardly put the Metrodome in that category. Comparing the Metrodome to Forbes Field is like comparing the Back Street Boys to Bach.
     
    #32 Andy T., May 16, 2007
  13. Dale-c

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    If I remember correctly, the '87 Twins were not even in second place in the AL that year.
    If it were not for the divisions, they wouldn't have even made it to the ALCS.
    As I recall, the AL east had the 1 and 2 teams and the Twins won the AL west.

    I actually didn't even follow baseball in 1987. I turned 7 and that was my first year of Tball.
    The next year though I followed baseball as much as I ever did as the Dodgers won the world series.
    I got a sticker album in 88 that had all of the 87 stats in it. I still remember more stats from that year than in 97 :)
     
    #33 Dale-c, May 16, 2007
  14. ccrobinson

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    The Twinkies had home field advantage against Oakland last year, but didn't win the series. They were eliminated the year before by the Yankees at the Metrodome. Doesn't that seem to go against your contention that there is a heavy home field advantage to the Metrodome?
     
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  15. Andy T.

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    Correct, but it was even worse than you thought. There were actually 4 teams from the AL East that had a better record than the Twins. Here is a quick power ranking list for all of the '87 teams:

    1) Tigers
    2) Blue Jays
    3) Cardinals
    4) Mets
    5) Brewers
    6) Giants
    7) Yankees
    8) Expos
    9) Twins
    10) Reds (for TomVols :))

    The Twins were probably the 8th or 9th best team that year. Pathetic winners of the W.S.
     
    #35 Andy T., May 16, 2007
  16. Andy T.

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    Like I said, home field advantage isn't everything. I have noticed that the Twins fans are not near as raucous as they were back in the day. So I think their home field advantage has diminished some since that time. And loud fans are fine. I just ask that we put those Twins teams in context, which I did nicely in my previous post.
     
    #36 Andy T., May 16, 2007
  17. TomVols

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    Andy, my friend, how can you say that home field advantage isn't everything, yet say that the Twins' WS record "doesn't lie"? That doesn't logically gel.
     
    #37 TomVols, May 16, 2007
  18. ccrobinson

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    But wouldn't it produce a heavy home field advantage every year?
     
    #38 ccrobinson, May 17, 2007
  19. Andy T.

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    I am willing to concede that their home field advantage has diminished some over the last decade or so, for a couple of reasons:

    1) The fans don't seem to be as rowdy as they were in the late 80's and early 90's.

    2) The stadium has now been in the league for 25 years. Many players from other teams have had a chance to play there throughout the years. Also, with free agency players move around, so there are more former Twins players circulating in the league. In 1987, the stadium was fairly new, so the opposing teams did not have as much experience or gathered intelligence as to how to play there.
     
    #39 Andy T., May 17, 2007
  20. Andy T.

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    You still have to be a decent team in order to win. We could have put the '62 Mets in the Metrodome and had them face the Cardinals in the '87 W.S., and I would bet the Cardinals would win, even if they played every game of the series in the Metrodome.

    The '87 Twins were a decent team that year. Any team that makes it in the top 10 of 26 would have to be considered decent. But in context, they were an extremely lucky team to have won the W.S., considering there were 7 or 8 other teams that were better than them that year. They had the luck of playing in the worst division in baseball, and the luck that it was an odd-numbered year, thus giving them home field in both the ALCS and W.S.
     
    #40 Andy T., May 17, 2007
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