extreme quotes from liberals

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
What is the problem with a nation having full gun registration?

Aside from the fact that it is impossible, and isn't working? New York has one of the toughest gun laws in the country and you almost never hear of a gun crime there.

 

[Hardsheller]

When Guns are Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Guns.

Scott - Can you prove that statement wrong?

And by the way - I believe the Bill of Rights are laws that protect the rights of individual American Citizens. The Second Amendment happens to be one that is non-negotiable for the majority of Americans.

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
http://thelordjesus.com/Liberals/Compassionate%20Liberals.htm

Those words do appear at the listed site,
but the site is arguing against them?

more from that site, and probably enough to make even ed shiver, well maybe not

"Human happiness and certainly human productivity are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. I know social scientists who remind me that people are part of nature, but it isn't true. Somewhere along the line - at about a billion years ago and maybe half that - we quit the contract and became a cancer. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the earth... Until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along."

David Graber: Research biologist at the National Park Service.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Did I say anything about outlawing guns? Of course not.

I don't have a problem with people who legally own guns, although I wish there were fewer guns out there. I do have a problem with so many guns that are on the black market. I would prefer that guns, just like cars, have to be registered, perhaps even taxed. I see nothing in the second amendment that would prohibit that.

The more we know about the people who own guns and the people who use guns, the better our law enforcement will be for those who use their guns to commit crimes. I think it'd be a step in the right direction.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
Did I say anything about outlawing guns? Of course not.

I don't have a problem with people who legally own guns, although I wish there were fewer guns out there. I do have a problem with so many guns that are on the black market. I would prefer that guns, just like cars, have to be registered, perhaps even taxed.

I don't think I know how this is going to stop buying guns on the black market since they are neither registered nor taxed. You would, once again, be punishing the law abiding citizens in an attempt to stop criminals from buying guns on the black market? It just doesn't make much sense to me.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
I don't think I know how this is going to stop buying guns on the black market since they are neither registered nor taxed. You would, once again, be punishing the law abiding citizens in an attempt to stop criminals from buying guns on the black market? It just doesn't make much sense to me.

How is registration "punishment?" I believe that the majority of violent crimes are committed with guns that have been "legally" purchased - I'll see if I can find that statistic for you. I don't see how registration can be seen as a negative thing - especially for people who have nothing to hide.

If guns did need to be registered, then I would imagine we would see fewer guns on the black market, as a person couldn't just sell a gun scot-free. If I owned a registered gun, I wouldn't sell it to just anyone on the black market, especially since it could be used in a violent crime. And if the guns were registered and then stolen, we may be able to figure out who the perpetrator was, as we could figure out where the gun originally came from.

I see way too many advantages in registering guns, and I don't see how this would be considered a 'punishment' any more than people consider the registration of cars as punishment. I've never met anyone who considered having to own a title for a car to be punishment. It's part of owning a car. How cool would it be if registration was just part of owning a gun?

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
I don't think I know how this is going to stop buying guns on the black market since they are neither registered nor taxed. You would, once again, be punishing the law abiding citizens in an attempt to stop criminals from buying guns on the black market? It just doesn't make much sense to me.

How is registration "punishment?" I believe that the majority of violent crimes are committed with guns that have been "legally" purchased - I'll see if I can find that statistic for you. I don't see how registration can be seen as a negative thing - especially for people who have nothing to hide.

If guns did need to be registered, then I would imagine we would see fewer guns on the black market, as a person couldn't just sell a gun scot-free. If I owned a registered gun, I wouldn't sell it to just anyone on the black market, especially since it could be used in a violent crime. And if the guns were registered and then stolen, we may be able to figure out who the perpetrator was, as we could figure out where the gun originally came from.

I see way too many advantages in registering guns, and I don't see how this would be considered a 'punishment' any more than people consider the registration of cars as punishment. I've never met anyone who considered having to own a title for a car to be punishment. It's part of owning a car. How cool would it be if registration was just part of owning a gun? </font>[/QUOTE]you worry me how many more of those extreme quotes do you agree with?

 

[Terry_Herrington]

I have an idea! Instead of burdening the country down with more useless gun control laws, why don't we hold the people accountable who use the guns illegally.

I am not in favor of gun control. The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right that should not be infringed upon; this indeed would be a slippery slope.

I am in favor of criminal control.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
I have an idea! Instead of burdening the country down with more useless gun control laws, why don't we hold the people accountable who use the guns illegally.

Or we can make a gun control law that actually works. There's an idea.

I am not in favor of gun control. The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right that should not be infringed upon; this indeed would be a slippery slope.

And as you know, I would hope, the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. Registering of all guns does not infringe upon the second amendment.

I am in favor of criminal control.

As am I, as well. One need not choose one over the other.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Why "register" if not to "control"? What purpose would the government have for my registering a gun if not to "keep track" of where the gun was, etc (which is all Big Brother for certain sure!)

What other purpose can there be?

Serious question, since Germany went down that slippery slope and Americans fear a repeat.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
[QB] Why "register" if not to "control"? What purpose would the government have for my registering a gun if not to "keep track" of where the gun was, etc (which is all Big Brother for certain sure!)

Just because a government keeps track of something does not equal control to a point. I do not believe that the government "controls" us, even though we have a social security number. I don't think that government "controls" our cars, even those are registered. I don't think that the government "controls" us, even though so much of what we do and who we are is known by them. The registering of guns would be the same way.

What other purpose can there be?

I don't see any drawbacks of having guns registered. Not a single tangible disadvantage.

Serious question, since Germany went down that slippery slope and Americans fear a repeat.

And other countries have as well, and they didn't turn out to kill 10 million people. You don't really think Germany was as crazy and ended up as depraved as it did because they had gun registration, do you?

 

[mioque]

Not that it is at all relevant to this discussion , but Nazi-Germany did not have strict gunlaws. The quote attributed to both Clinton and Hitler was only uttered by Clinton.

Hitler despite the name of his political party also was a staunch capitalist and somewhat hostile to Communism (just ask the Russians and they'll tell you about the millions who had to die to win WWII). Hitler was not a liberal in the current American definition of the word.

 

[Jim1999]

One of the reasons for gun control in Canada, is so the police know exactly where the guns are when they face domestic violence..one of the big killers police face

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Hardsheller]

Scott,

You are extremely naive if you believe that gun registration is not a planned ingredient in the larger campaign by the left to completely outlaw guns in this country.

My question is simply this - Why lay a burden on me, a non criminal gun owner, for the sins and crimes of the lawless minority?

And no - Gun registration is not like Automobile Registration. Everyone has to display the Automobile's registration in public - Criminal and non Criminal alike or be subject to police action.

 

[Matt Black]

Hitler a liberal?

Now I heard everything!

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Hardsheller:
You are extremely naive if you believe that gun registration is not a planned ingredient in the larger campaign by the left to completely outlaw guns in this country.

And I would assert that those who do believe that it is a planned ingredient have more in common with conspiracy theorists than they would like to believe. Where's the proof, here?

My question is simply this - Why lay a burden on me, a non criminal gun owner, for the sins and crimes of the lawless minority?

Because you are part of a society, and registering guns is a positive for the good of that society. I may also ask why I should pay Social Security since I am not getting anything in return now. A safer environment and nation is a benefit to everyone. You are a non-criminal now, but that does not prevent you from being one in the future. IF you were to illegally use your gun, then you would now be part of the "lawless minority."

And no - Gun registration is not like Automobile Registration. Everyone has to display the Automobile's registration in public - Criminal and non Criminal alike or be subject to police action.

I wouldn't have a problem with everyone putting a big ol' yellow sticker an all of the guns with the registration information, I guess. I don't see where you are going with this.

 

[Hardsheller]

Gun Registration simply does not stop crime. Case in point - Japan with a total ban on handguns.

Gangster admits shooting U.S. serviceman in 'car rage'
Tue Oct 28 2003 21:27:28 ET

HIROSHIMA, Oct. 29 (Kyodo) _ A gangster turned himself in at a police station in Hiroshima on Tuesday night and admitted shooting a U.S. serviceman and threatening two others last Sunday in city, saying he did it because they had stepped in front of his car, the police said.

Tomoyuki Matsumoto, 37, a former ranking member of an organized crime group, now unemployed, handed over an automatic pistol when he appeared at the Hiroshima Higashi police station at around 9:40 p.m., the police said.

He was arrested on suspicion of violating the firearms and swords law, the police said.

Matsumoto was quoted as telling the police, ''I was annoyed by the man who cut across in front of my car, so I shot him.''

The police said they will also question Matsumoto with a view to having him charged with the attempted murder of the serviceman, U.S. Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Eric Heinz, 21.

 

[Hardsheller]

"The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government." - The Supreme Court of the United States, in U.S. v. Cruikshank

 

[Hardsheller]

Check out the Status for Bill C-68 in Canada if you believe National Registration Works.

How's this for hijackin' a thread?

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Hardsheller:
Gun Registration simply does not stop crime. Case in point - Japan with a total ban on handguns.

Gangster admits shooting U.S. serviceman in 'car rage'
Tue Oct 28 2003 21:27:28 ET

HIROSHIMA, Oct. 29 (Kyodo) _ A gangster turned himself in at a police station in Hiroshima on Tuesday night and admitted shooting a U.S. serviceman and threatening two others last Sunday in city, saying he did it because they had stepped in front of his car, the police said.

Tomoyuki Matsumoto, 37, a former ranking member of an organized crime group, now unemployed, handed over an automatic pistol when he appeared at the Hiroshima Higashi police station at around 9:40 p.m., the police said.

He was arrested on suspicion of violating the firearms and swords law, the police said.

Matsumoto was quoted as telling the police, ''I was annoyed by the man who cut across in front of my car, so I shot him.''

The police said they will also question Matsumoto with a view to having him charged with the attempted murder of the serviceman, U.S. Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Eric Heinz, 21.

First of all, this may or may not be an isolated incident. Second of all, Japan banned guns - not what I propose. Third of all, they caught the guy, which is important. So what's the point?

The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government." - The Supreme Court of the United States, in U.S. v. Cruikshank

And how does registration remove that right? (Here's a hint - it doesn't)