It's confusing arguing with you, BF.
I just want us all to be in good standing when stand at that Judgment Seat.
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Faith # 4
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It's confusing arguing with you, BF.
I just want us all to be in good standing when stand at that Judgment Seat.
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
You brought up the religious leaders, those were Jews that's why I said that. And it doesn't matter if they were religious leaders the truth still stands as to what He said John 8:47It's confusing arguing with you, BF.
I just want us all to be in good standing when stand at that Judgment Seat.
You brought up the religious leaders, those were Jews that's why I said that. And it doesn't matter if they were religious leaders the truth still stands as to what He said John 8:47
It never ends, does it?
I've said what I needed to say, what I was expected to say.
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
Okay likewiseIt never ends, does it?
I've said what I needed to say, what I was expected to say.
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
Faith to trust Christ is very rare!
Lk 18:7-8
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
That Faith which is precious and bestowed in Salvation is very rare,
2 Pet 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Yes, its only a small amount of the "Them that have obtained it"
This Faith is not through Adam, the natural man knows nothing of it, So
and all men do not have it 2 Thess 3:2
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
In Fact, Faith is the God given seal with the Spirit 2 Cor 1:22
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Now let me show you the correlation of Faith and Sealing. Faith is defined here Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now the word sealed is the word sphragizō and means:
I.to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal
A.
for security: from Satan
B.
since things sealed up are concealed (as the contents of a letter), to hide, keep in silence, keep secret
C.
in order to mark a person or a thing
i.
to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal or a stamp
ii.
angels are said to be sealed by God
D.
in order to prove, confirm, or attest a thingI.
to confirm authenticate, place beyond doubt
a.
of a written document
b.
to prove one's testimony to a person that he is what he professes to be
Now the word attest means:
to give proof or evidence of
Then the word prove means to:
to establish the truth or genuineness of, as by evidence or argument
Faith is that which marks us as Children of God, born of God !
Gal 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Here in Heb 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Abel had Faith in Christ Jesus, to him He was that coming Seed of the Women Gen 3:15 !
And So all who belong to God are sealed with the Spirit to produce the fruit of Faith.
This also proves the necessity of the New Birth prior to Faith in Christ, and f we have not the Spirit, we are none of His Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Yes even the OT Prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them as Per 1 Pet 1:9-11
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
The Prophets in the OT had the Spirit of Christ in them as the Believers in the NT do Rom 8:9 ! Which Spirit seals us with Faith in the Testimony of God! 5
Lk 18:7-8
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
That Faith which is precious and bestowed in Salvation is very rare,
2 Pet 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Yes, its only a small amount of the "Them that have obtained it"
This Faith is not through Adam, the natural man knows nothing of it, So
and all men do not have it 2 Thess 3:2
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
In Fact, Faith is the God given seal with the Spirit 2 Cor 1:22
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Now let me show you the correlation of Faith and Sealing. Faith is defined here Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now the word sealed is the word sphragizō and means:
I.to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal
A.
for security: from Satan
B.
since things sealed up are concealed (as the contents of a letter), to hide, keep in silence, keep secret
C.
in order to mark a person or a thing
i.
to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal or a stamp
ii.
angels are said to be sealed by God
D.
in order to prove, confirm, or attest a thingI.
to confirm authenticate, place beyond doubt
a.
of a written document
b.
to prove one's testimony to a person that he is what he professes to be
Now the word attest means:
to give proof or evidence of
Then the word prove means to:
to establish the truth or genuineness of, as by evidence or argument
Faith is that which marks us as Children of God, born of God !
Gal 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Here in Heb 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Abel had Faith in Christ Jesus, to him He was that coming Seed of the Women Gen 3:15 !
And So all who belong to God are sealed with the Spirit to produce the fruit of Faith.
This also proves the necessity of the New Birth prior to Faith in Christ, and f we have not the Spirit, we are none of His Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Yes even the OT Prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them as Per 1 Pet 1:9-11
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
The Prophets in the OT had the Spirit of Christ in them as the Believers in the NT do Rom 8:9 ! Which Spirit seals us with Faith in the Testimony of God! 5
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
Believers by the Command and Will of God !
1 Tim 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Believers become Believers by the Commandment of God, in the same effectual manner in which Paul the Apostle became a Believer/ Apostle 1 Tim 1:1
In fact, all believers to one degree or another are Apostles of Christ or sent ones !
Notice again that his apostleship was according to the commandment of God OUR Saviour and Jesus Christ, If God is Our Saviour and Jesus Christ He has Commanded our Faith, by Decree/injunction;
This verse more than indicates that Believers become believers according to the Command of God. It equally as well means that we become believers according to the will of God as here it also regards Paul's Apostleship Eph 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
That word will is thelēma:
I.
what one wishes or has determined shall be done
A.
of the purpose of God to bless mankind through Christ
B.
of what God wishes to be done by usI.
commands, precepts
II.
will, choice, inclination, desire, pleasure
Remember, an Apostle, though a Unique Office, is nevertheless only part of an whole of the Body of Christ, a member of it Eph 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1 Cor 12:27-30
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church [Body of Christ], first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
What be more clearer that Apostles as well as other subordinate offices are assigned by God to the Mystical Body of Chris, the Church Vs 27
The Apostles are merely members of that Body along with other members who are not Apostles by Office, but members together none the less. Scripture says God has Sovereignly set them in their stations Vs
28. The word set τίθημι:
It means to appoint,I.to set, put, place, to choose,to give a place in.
The point is this, the Appointment of God to be a Apostle like Paul or Peter is no more important, less appointed that His setting those into the office or work of helps 1 Cor 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
All have been appointed in the same manner as the Apostles were 1 Cor 12:14-21
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
The Apostles cannot boast and say, Well I was made an Apostle by the Commandment of God as 1 Tim 1:1 or the Will of God Eph 1:1 and you were not ! That would be inaccurate !
In fact the same word will Paul uses in Eph 1:1 is the same one he uses here in 1 Cor 12:18
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
So, this is undeniable scripture proof that those of us who are True believers in Christ, became so by the Sovereign Commandment of God 1 Tim 1:1 and Will of God Eph 1:1.
To deny this is to deny truth of scripture. ! 5
1 Tim 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Believers become Believers by the Commandment of God, in the same effectual manner in which Paul the Apostle became a Believer/ Apostle 1 Tim 1:1
In fact, all believers to one degree or another are Apostles of Christ or sent ones !
Notice again that his apostleship was according to the commandment of God OUR Saviour and Jesus Christ, If God is Our Saviour and Jesus Christ He has Commanded our Faith, by Decree/injunction;
This verse more than indicates that Believers become believers according to the Command of God. It equally as well means that we become believers according to the will of God as here it also regards Paul's Apostleship Eph 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
That word will is thelēma:
I.
what one wishes or has determined shall be done
A.
of the purpose of God to bless mankind through Christ
B.
of what God wishes to be done by usI.
commands, precepts
II.
will, choice, inclination, desire, pleasure
Remember, an Apostle, though a Unique Office, is nevertheless only part of an whole of the Body of Christ, a member of it Eph 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1 Cor 12:27-30
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church [Body of Christ], first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
What be more clearer that Apostles as well as other subordinate offices are assigned by God to the Mystical Body of Chris, the Church Vs 27
The Apostles are merely members of that Body along with other members who are not Apostles by Office, but members together none the less. Scripture says God has Sovereignly set them in their stations Vs
28. The word set τίθημι:
It means to appoint,I.to set, put, place, to choose,to give a place in.
The point is this, the Appointment of God to be a Apostle like Paul or Peter is no more important, less appointed that His setting those into the office or work of helps 1 Cor 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
All have been appointed in the same manner as the Apostles were 1 Cor 12:14-21
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
The Apostles cannot boast and say, Well I was made an Apostle by the Commandment of God as 1 Tim 1:1 or the Will of God Eph 1:1 and you were not ! That would be inaccurate !
In fact the same word will Paul uses in Eph 1:1 is the same one he uses here in 1 Cor 12:18
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
So, this is undeniable scripture proof that those of us who are True believers in Christ, became so by the Sovereign Commandment of God 1 Tim 1:1 and Will of God Eph 1:1.
To deny this is to deny truth of scripture. ! 5