Faith From The Heart...

[TCGreek]

1. Today I was reading a book from a well-known Baptist, whose name I shall not mention to protect the guilty, where he says that the faith that justified us when we placed it in Jesus, came from the heart.

a. What is meant by "faith coming from the heart"?

b. Is he saying that faith originates in the heart of a person?

c. If this is the case, isn't this implying that we add something to our justification?

2. I stand to be corrected at this juncture.

 

[donnA]

the bible says the heart is decietful, i don't see faith coming from mine or anyone elses heart. faith comes from God.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Trying to give the author in question the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he is referring to Romans.

5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The Word, by which we are saved, is near us...in our mouth and heart. We confess with our mouth, but believe in our heart, because with teh heart man believes unto righteousness, and witht he mouth confession is made unto salvation. If a mouth confesses but does not believe in the heart, then we have a false brother or sister.

Even so, the opperation of these things is by Grace Alone. The faith, with which our hear believes, is a gift of God.

 

[Dale-c]

"God loves you and has a wonderful plan for His glory."

I like that signature!

 

[webdog]

1. Today I was reading a book from a well-known Baptist, whose name I shall not mention to protect the guilty, where he says that the faith that justified us when we placed it in Jesus, came from the heart.

a. What is meant by "faith coming from the heart"?

b. Is he saying that faith originates in the heart of a person?

c. If this is the case, isn't this implying that we add something to our justification?

2. I stand to be corrected at this juncture.

All men have the ability to have faith in something. That is what I believe the author is trying to say.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

All men have the ability to have faith in something. That is what I believe the author is trying to say.

Perhaps all men have the ability to believe, but mankind is unable in and of himself to savingly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. THAT faith is a gift from God.

 

[TCGreek]

Trying to give the author in question the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he is referring to Romans.



The Word, by which we are saved, is near us...in our mouth and heart. We confess with our mouth, but believe in our heart, because with teh heart man believes unto righteousness, and witht he mouth confession is made unto salvation. If a mouth confesses but does not believe in the heart, then we have a false brother or sister.

Even so, the opperation of these things is by Grace Alone. The faith, with which our hear believes, is a gift of God.

1. But to say that this faith originates in the heart of the individual and to say that it comes from the heart are two different things.

2. To say originate in the heart means the person somehow can do it own his own.

3. But coming from the heart does not necessarily carry that idea. The faith can first be placed there and then exercise by the individual since the human heart is wicked to begin with.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

1. But to say that this faith originates in the heart of the individual and to say that it comes from the heart are two different things.

2. To say originate in the heart means the person somehow can do it own his own.

3. But coming from the heart does not necessarily carry that idea. The faith can first be placed there and then exercise by the individual since the human heart is wicked to begin with.

1. I agree. Scripture teaches that faith, saving faith as we sometimes call it, is a gift of God (originates from Him) and is given as a gift.

2. I agree, that's why I would disagree with the statement that saving faith originates in the heart.

3. Man's heart is indeed wicked, and his will follows his nature. In the act of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit man's will responds/reacts even as it were simultaniously as he is born anew. He has new desires, hopes, dreams. The old things have passed away and all things become new. He is not completely separated from sin, which is condemned in the flesh, but the life he now lives in the flesh, he lives by the faith of the Son of God, which was given him. Human will is not causative in salvation. It is by God's will man is ever saved.

 

[Lacy Evans]

I'm sorry. I thought this was going to be a Star Trek Enterprise discussion.

Faith of The Heart

written by Diane Warren and sung by Russell Watson

It's been a long road
Getting from there to here
It's been a long time
But my time is finally near
And I will see my dream come alive at last,
I will touch the sky
And they're not gonna hold me down no more
No, they're not gonna change my mind
Cause I got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I got faith to believe
I can do anything
I got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I got faith
Faith of the heart...

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I'm sorry. I thought this was going to be a Star Trek Enterprise discussion.

Faith of The Heart

written by Diane Warren and sung by Russell Watson

It's been a long road
Getting from there to here
It's been a long time
But my time is finally near
And I will see my dream come alive at last,
I will touch the sky
And they're not gonna hold me down no more
No, they're not gonna change my mind
Cause I got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I got faith to believe
I can do anything
I got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I got faith
Faith of the heart...

I think that was an attempt at humor...

 

[Lacy Evans]

I think that was an attempt at humor...

My wife says that most people fail to find me even a fraction as funny as I find myself.

 

[James_Newman]

My wife says that most people fail to find me even a fraction as funny as I find myself.

Don't worry brother, I'll still laugh at your corny jokes.

 

[webdog]

Perhaps all men have the ability to believe, but mankind is unable in and of himself to savingly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. THAT faith is a gift from God.

Since faith is active belief...I don't see the difference of the origination. Faith is NOT a gift from God in the way calvinists use Eph. 2:8-9. Salvation is the gift of God in that verse. Faith comes from hearing / understanding, and that (hearing/understanding) from God...not faith.

 

[TCGreek]

Since faith is active belief...I don't see the difference of the origination. Faith is NOT a gift from God in the way calvinists use Eph. 2:8-9. Salvation is the gift of God in that verse. Faith comes from hearing / understanding, and that (hearing/understanding) from God...not faith.

1. Yes, a person hears and understands the Word and produces faith out of thin air?

2. Even Arminians have taken Eph 2:8-9 to refer to whole saving plan as a gift of God, for the context and grammar necessitate it.

 

[Deacon]

1. Today I was reading a book from a well-known Baptist, whose name I shall not mention to protect the guilty, where he says that the faith that justified us when we placed it in Jesus, came from the heart.

a. What is meant by "faith coming from the heart"?

Since we don't know the context of the phrase, who said it, where it was said, to whom it was written, or the date, ...
...discerning the authors meaning is difficult (why that's the purpose of studying biblical history and practices isn't it?).

If it was a modern speaker, the phrase may simply be idiomatic for a true faith rather than a superficial faith (which would truly be no faith at all).

b. Is he saying that faith originates in the heart of a person?

I don't think so.

c. If this is the case, isn't this implying that we add something to our justification?

If it were the case, probably. Sounds just a bit like Lordship salvation (am I close?).

Rob

 

[webdog]

1. Yes, a person hears and understands the Word and produces faith out of thin air?

It comes from the ability to reason together with the Lord (Isaiah).

2. Even Arminians have taken Eph 2:8-9 to refer to whole saving plan as a gift of God, for the context and grammar necessitate it.

Some do, but it's not proper exegesis. "That" is referring back to the whole of "by grace are you saved through faith"...salvation. "That" is the gift of God...not faith.

 

[charles_creech78]

Ro 10:8 But what saith it? the word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy HEART: that is, the word of faith, which we preach. Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS, and shalt believe in thine heart that GOD hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

 

[TCGreek]

It comes from the ability to reason together with the Lord (Isaiah).

1. You would have to reason that one out yourself.

Some do, but it's not proper exegesis. "That" is referring back to the whole of "by grace are you saved through faith"...salvation. "That" is the gift of God...not faith.

2. If faith is part of that, which you say is "by grace are you saved through" how can faith not be considered a gift?

3. It's like giving me a package with three items in it, all wrapped as a gift, only to find out, that one of the items inside, is not really a gift.

a. Was it place there by mistake?

b. Do I have to purchase it?

c. Was it meant for someone else?

 

[TCGreek]

Ro 10:8 But what saith it? the word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy HEART: that is, the word of faith, which we preach. Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS, and shalt believe in thine heart that GOD hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

The faith in the heart, Where did it come from?

 

[webdog]

1. You would have to reason that one out yourself.

Why when the Lord says I can reason with Him?

2. If faith is part of that, which you say is "by grace are you saved through" how can faith not be considered a gift?

Through is the means...not the gift.

3. It's like giving me a package with three items in it, all wrapped as a gift, only to find out, that one of the items inside, is not really a gift.

a. Was it place there by mistake?

b. Do I have to purchase it?

c. Was it meant for someone else?

Your analogy would be more accurate by stating how the basket go there (through the mail). Is the means the gift, also...or is the basket the gift?