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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, May 3, 2019.

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  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    it is your position the call is for everyone, but God only gives the ability to receive to the chosen?
     
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    It is the Bible's position that there is a general calling to all to be saved, but only an effectual saving call to the elect.
     
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    Utterly false, the bogus invention of men.

    Utterly false,the bogus deflection of personal incredulity.

     
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    @Van either answer the following simple question or just leave it alone.

    1. Chosen for salvation.
    2. Chosen to be saved.

    How are these different in meaning?
     
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    effectual ? it is not a different call to all.

    The ability to accept the call is different look at the soils differences

    I believe the "natural" man from scripture is not spiritual lost but a nonspiritual human who cannot be saved.

    In effect there are many non spiritual humans and the fewer lost and saved humans who can accept spiritual things
     
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    We were chosen through faith in the truth. This is the linkage that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 provides and the linkage those who hold to unconditional election oppose.

    One of the bogus efforts to break the linkage is to change a noun (salvation) into a verb (saved) to then falsely link through faith in the truth to their altered text verb.

    The effort is as bogus as a three dollar bill. Either acknowledge this answers your repeated and repeated question, or just leave it alone. :)
     
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    Both either as a noun or verb is not linked to the faith in the way you try to claim. Basic grammar.
     
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    Just the opposite is true, basic grammar, links through...faith in the truth to verb chosen, and not the noun salvation. It describes the basis of the choice.
     
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    Please, what translation would you like to use so we can break this down using the same text?
     
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    As David just accumulated four warning points, he's on vacation until June 2019. So, this thread is closed.
     
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