SavedByGrace
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you quote what is NOT taught in the Bible.
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Faith
- Thread starter agedman
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you quote what is NOT taught in the Bible.
agedman wrote:
"I haven’t quoted any but your own work."
Therefore we can conclude that what you wrote is NOT taught in the Bible. Correct?
SavedByGrace
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The OP is not based on what the Bible actually teaches
I certainly grasp your faulty logic.
God gives faith - check
God's gift of faith enables us to believe - check
Therefore I have faith, I believe, and I repent because God has been gracious to me.
What I know is this:
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
~ Galatians 2:20-21
SavedByGrace
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Again that is not what Romans 10 is stating.By your own reckoning, God believes for the sinner
For someone who maintains the authority of Scripture, why are you not rendering due diligence to the opposing statements you posted.
I replied to both the post concerning your inaccurate presentation of Romans 10, and then pointed how your own presentation of the Scriptures disputed you.
Which should one take more authenticity - Your statement of Romans 10, or what Romans 10 states?
The OP is asking that folks present accurately concerning Scripture statements.
This is why I challenged what SavedByGrace wrote. The Verse does not support what he wrote concerning the verse.
I am not contesting over some larger position, but that the Scripture accurately presented be the final authority.
This is why I challenged what SavedByGrace wrote. The Verse does not support what he wrote concerning the verse.
I am not contesting over some larger position, but that the Scripture accurately presented be the final authority.
Are you suggesting that adding or changing the words of Scripture you posted is in some manner to be taken lightly?
By what authority do you claim to dispute the Scripture you presented by changing and/or adding words to change the meaning of the text?
SavedByGrace
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Show from the context of Romans 10.17 that I am wrong
Did I not refer back to your own posting of Scripture, even placed in bold that which was inaccurate?
Look back at post #11 and #16 if I recall the post numbers correctly.
Romans 10:1-21
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.” Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.” But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.” Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.” But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”
SavedByGrace
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Dude, this means that God will be found by the Gentiles, and not only the Jews! Don't force Scripture to support your perverted theology!
SavedByGrace
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I have read this many times, and cannot see anywhere that I have not quoted correctly. Let me say again, the sinner hears the Message of the Gospel preached, and then is convicted by the Holy Spirit, and then either accepts or rejects this Message, and thereby their faith comes from hearing the Bible being preached. This is a good summary of what Paul says in Romans 10. If you cannot understand this, then I suggest that you pray for the Lord to open your understanding!
SavedByGrace
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you STILL don't get it! Your OP itself is unbiblical!
LOL, you must not have read the verse.Dude, this means that God will be found by the Gentiles, and not only the Jews! Don't force Scripture to support your perverted theology!
“I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”
Question: How did you actually come up with the exact opposite of what Paul wrote?
LOL, no one can make up what you just did to that verse.
It's a start. At least you admit it...
SavedByGrace
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You finally posted the correct rendering!
Faith comes by hearing but now you neglect that not all hear!
What does that passage declare HOW hearing comes?
SavedByGrace
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Not all will hear the Gospel because they have more pleasure in their sinful ways