false teacher definition

[CarlandBeth]

What is the Biblical definition of a false teacher? Would you restrict the definition to theology?

Would you consider someone a false teacher if you've proven that his stories which may pepper his sermons turn out to be untrue? What if one story which he tells is not only untrue, but each of the following times he repeats the story it seems to grow in detail?

Would the person's intentions be taken into consideration....in other words would it be important to ascertain whether this is intentional or just someone repeating unwisely inaccurate information he heard/read somewhere...and it just sounds good enough or dramatic enough to underscore a pivotal point in a sermon.

Looking forward to your opinions!
Thanks,
Beth

 

[Scarlett O.]

To me, a false teacher has the intent to deceive. Now, could they also be deceiving themselves? I think so. Sincerity is not enough. You can sincerely lead people to hell by teaching/preaching a false Jesus and false Christian faith.

The stories that so many preachers tell that are urban legends, obvious phoneys, and exaggerated-for-effect examples?

I REALLY wish preachers would not include those in their sermons, but so many of them do. But I don't believe this is what make them a false teacher.

It just makes them a man who doesn't fact check his information and/or who is gullible enough to believe anything he reads as long as it is presents by "Christian media".

 

[CarlandBeth]

I agree

To me, a false teacher has the intent to deceive. Now, could they also be deceiving themselves? I think so. Sincerity is not enough. You can sincerely lead people to hell by teaching/preaching a false Jesus and false Christian faith.

The stories that so many preachers tell that are urban legends, obvious phoneys, and exaggerated-for-effect examples?

I REALLY wish preachers would not include those in their sermons, but so many of them do. But I don't believe this is what make them a false teacher.

It just makes them a man who doesn't fact check his information and/or who is gullible enough to believe anything he reads as long as it is presents by "Christian media".

I positively cringe when I hear these stories. I fear that if the unsaved hearing these stories and after checking them out, discover them to be false, are they going to believe the doctrine presented in that sermon? I think it can discredit the validity of the sermon content.

This is the one that absolutely bugs me to no end...this is the story which grew in the three times the speaker used this...have you heard of the Body of death"? It went from a form of capital punishment in Rome to a particular practice Paul would have known, because it was especially...yes, especially...used in the town of Tarsus....

http://thepaperthinhymn.com/2011/11...ng-a-dead-man-on-your-back-the-body-of-death/

Sigh, now really, did Paul Read Virgil??? Perhaps he did, being a well educated Jew...but there is NO evidence that he had a habit of dipping into Greek historical fiction to illustrate doctrinal points.

thank you for your opinion, Scarlotte! I appreciate it!

Beth

 

[Thousand Hills]

C&B - was reading this earlier today. Good summary of some thoughts regarding False Teachers.

http://www.challies.com/articles/lessons-ive-learned-from-false-teachers

 

[CarlandBeth]

Nice!

C&B - was reading this earlier today. Good summary of some thoughts regarding False Teachers.

http://www.challies.com/articles/lessons-ive-learned-from-false-teachers

Thank you, Thousand Hills...nice article!

One point resonated with me...over the years I have been really convicted of the need to be a Berean. In order to test teachings, we must be able to actually FIND those teachings in the Bible. My point being that I agree with the article's writer that it is dangerous when someone believes they have the gnosis...there is something that only THEY can understand, some revelation that only God gave them.

In the case of the preacher I am thinking of in my OP, while perhaps his teachings are not necessarily blatantly gnostic, he is inching there by expecting his congregation to BELIEVE what he said because, well, he said it. If you can't actually test the teaching, because it isn't actually IN the Bible, you are left with people like me pulling out our gadgets and googling for the story/anecdote during the sermon time because it has happened way too often that stories turn out to be fiction.

Beth

 

[evangelist6589]

What is the Biblical definition of a false teacher? Would you restrict the definition to theology?



Would you consider someone a false teacher if you've proven that his stories which may pepper his sermons turn out to be untrue? What if one story which he tells is not only untrue, but each of the following times he repeats the story it seems to grow in detail?



Would the person's intentions be taken into consideration....in other words would it be important to ascertain whether this is intentional or just someone repeating unwisely inaccurate information he heard/read somewhere...and it just sounds good enough or dramatic enough to underscore a pivotal point in a sermon.



Looking forward to your opinions!

Thanks,

Beth

I do not give opinions I give scripture. Turn to the books of Jude and 2nd Peter. Also jesus himself described false teachers whom come dressed as sheep but really are wolves and they lack fruit as he said in the Synoptics.

A false teacher is also described in Galatians 1 whom has and preaches another gospel, a false teacher is not just someone whom is Arminian or whom teaches another eschatology but someone whom confuses the gospel.

A great add on book which is a commentary on Jude is called the Truth War by MacArthur. It's far more in depth than a normal commentary on Jude. Get it.

 

[evangelist6589]

Also forgot to mention 2 Tim 4:3-4 which says false teachers do not preach sound doctrine.

 

[CarlandBeth]

concerned

I do not give opinions I give scripture. Turn to the books of Jude and 2nd Peter. Also jesus himself described false teachers whom come dressed as sheep but really are wolves and they lack fruit as he said in the Synoptics.

A false teacher is also described in Galatians 1 whom has and preaches another gospel, a false teacher is not just someone whom is Arminian or whom teaches another eschatology but someone whom confuses the gospel.

A great add on book which is a commentary on Jude is called the Truth War by MacArthur. It's far more in depth than a normal commentary on Jude. Get it.

Thank you, I always appreciate your input. I am just a bit reluctant about reading anything by MacArthur, please don't be offended, until his statement about taking the mark of the beast is cleared up. I am very glad that you have benefited from MacArthur's teachings, though! You obviously have a real love for the Lord and His Word!

Beth

ps has he corrected his teachings on the mark of the beast, that you know of?

 

[evangelist6589]

Thank you, I always appreciate your input. I am just a bit reluctant about reading anything by MacArthur, please don't be offended, until his statement about taking the mark of the beast is cleared up. I am very glad that you have benefited from MacArthur's teachings, though! You obviously have a real love for the Lord and His Word!



Beth



ps has he corrected his teachings on the mark of the beast, that you know of?

What book did you read this in?

 

[CarlandBeth]

hi

It wasn't a book, he preaches that people could take the mark of the beast and still repent and be in Heaven. Google for this on youtube, and you will see quite alot of controversy on this. I have a link, but decided not to post, because I don't want to upset you or others who love MacArthur.

I believe the Bible is clear that those who take the mark of the Beast will end up in the lake of fire.

Perhaps MacArthur will come to understand and change his teaching.

Beth

 

[evangelist6589]

It wasn't a book, he preaches that people could take the mark of the beast and still repent and be in Heaven. Google for this on youtube, and you will see quite alot of controversy on this. I have a link, but decided not to post, because I don't want to upset you or others who love MacArthur.

I believe the Bible is clear that those who take the mark of the Beast will end up in the lake of fire.

Perhaps MacArthur will come to understand and change his teaching.

Beth

Google is a very unreliable source for accurate information. I do not give one rat what these monkey bloggers are saying. Many of them lie and exaggerate to gain followers. Unless I her the sermon in context or the book in its context I won't pay one dime of attention to another monkey blogger.

So post the sermon in its context and not just some out of context clip.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Google is a very unreliable source for accurate information. I do not give one rat what these monkey bloggers are saying. Many of them lie and exaggerate to gain followers. Unless I her the sermon in context or the book in its context I won't pay one dime of attention to another monkey blogger.

So post the sermon in its context and not just some out of context clip.

Unless, of course, a "monkey blogger" happens to support what you believe.

 

[CarlandBeth]

ooooh

Google is a very unreliable source for accurate information. I do not give one rat what these monkey bloggers are saying. Many of them lie and exaggerate to gain followers. Unless I her the sermon in context or the book in its context I won't pay one dime of attention to another monkey blogger.

So post the sermon in its context and not just some out of context clip.

See, this is why I won't, brother...your language indicates you are a bit upset, if not sarcastic, and this is what I wish to avoid. "Monkey bloggers" might be your brothers and sisters in Christ, and perhaps not the most loving way to describe your family that you will be spending eternity with. So, a soft answer turns away wrath, and so I respectfully ask that this thread be closed.

Beth

 

[evangelist6589]

See, this is why I won't, brother...your language indicates you are a bit upset, if not sarcastic, and this is what I wish to avoid. "Monkey bloggers" might be your brothers and sisters in Christ, and perhaps not the most loving way to describe your family that you will be spending eternity with. So, a soft answer turns away wrath, and so I respectfully ask that this thread be closed.



Beth

Okay I apologize. But some of the bloggers lie about some of my teachers. But yes no reason to call a brother a monkey.

 

[evangelist6589]

Unless, of course, a "monkey blogger" happens to support what you believe.

Not exactly. If a blogger or web article writer writes a good argument and I disagree with him I won't call him a monkey. What I dislike are people that lie or are misinformed and won't bother to do first hand research.

Look I even disagree with myself from 10 years ago whom defended Arminian theology and disliked Calvinism.

 

[Rippon]

Look I even disagree with myself from 10 years ago whom defended Arminian theology and disliked Calvinism.

It's more correct to say: "Look, I even disagree with opinions I had ten years ago when I defended Arminian theology and disliked Calvinism."

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Look I even disagree with myself from 10 years ago whom defended Arminian theology and disliked Calvinism.

You shoulda stopped somewhere halfway ... :laugh:

 

[evangelist6589]

It's more correct to say: "Look, I even disagree with opinions I had ten years ago when I defended Arminian theology and disliked Calvinism."

Quite correct.

 

[Yeshua1]

It wasn't a book, he preaches that people could take the mark of the beast and still repent and be in Heaven. Google for this on youtube, and you will see quite alot of controversy on this. I have a link, but decided not to post, because I don't want to upset you or others who love MacArthur.

I believe the Bible is clear that those who take the mark of the Beast will end up in the lake of fire.

Perhaps MacArthur will come to understand and change his teaching.


I respect Him as a teacher of the Bible, but IF that was what he taught, was wrong in that area, as the Bible states that ONLY those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life are the saved of God, and he beast!ONLY those not found in there will take the mark of the beast!

And false teachers in the bibl
ical sense are those who are unsaved, and teach a false/another Gospel. distorting the nature of God, salvation, the Bible etc!