Falwell: Jews can get to Heaven without Christ

What Hagee doesn't understand (and I'm not sure he doesn't) is that the new covenant was made with Jews and it the Gentile believers that are grafted into this new covenant.

So even the Jew must come to God through Jesus Christ, who died to initiate the new covenant by his blood!

 

For what its worth:

http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

 

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

SFIC,

It's been posted here twice that he does not believe this.. Just thought maybe you missed it, but the others we've discussed deserve their own thread in order to be discussed fairly.. Just a thought.. God bless.

Disclaimer -

I am partial to Falwell due to the time I've spent around him.. I have a great deal of respect for him, so forgive me if I get defensive. This is the reason I've stayed out of this one. God bless.

 

Considering the FACT that Jerry Falwell has said clearly that he does not believe what was reported I think this thread should be shut down. I see folks accusing Falwell of heresy when Falwell has NEVER taught this doctrine of Jews not needing salvation. Never! One article, that did NOT even interview Falwell, claimed he does. However Falwell himself has said (in several formats) that he does not. So it is a mystery to me why people continue this discussion.

On his website Falwell states:
"While I am a strong supporter of the State of Israel and dearly love the Jewish people and believe them to be the chosen people of God, I continue to stand on the foundational biblical principle that all people — Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Jews, Muslims, etc. — must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to enter heaven."

See the entire statement here.

Before we accuse someone of heresy let's make sure they are guilty. Falwell is owed an apology by many people who jumped on this without all the facts.

Very disappointed,
Martin.

 

I like what Albert Mohler said about The Jerusalem Post:

"This kind of journalism is beneath the dignity and reputation of a great international paper like The Jerusalem Post. The paper should never have run a story like this without any contact with Dr. Falwell and others cited directly in the article. There have been many questions about John Hagee's position on this question, but I know of no reason to doubt Dr. Falwell's consistent witness to the Gospel on the question of the Jews."

Shame on The Jerusalem Post and I am greatly disappointed in all who jumped on this issue without examining all the facts. This is a clear example of why we must examine all the facts and not just those that are to our liking. Many folks who do not like Falwell jumped on this like a pack of dogs jumping on a injured cat. It was and is disgraceful. I say again that Falwell is due an apology...from many people.

Let's learn a hard lesson from this...always, always examine all the facts.

You may say, "man, Martin, that is sort of tough don't you think"? My answer...yes. Sometimes we have to be tough in the name of the truth. I don't mean to step on toes or hurt feelings but this gossip machine must be stopped. Those who, without evidence, called Falwell a heretic (etc) need to apologize to him. Not for my sake, not even for Falwell's sake, but for their sake. It is part of repentance when one does public wrong to another person.

Martin.

 

"DITTO" Martin !

 

We sure do have a way of eating our own dont we.

 

christian piranha

John 13:[35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

 

While falwell may not hold to the two covenant theory - his ministry is littered with junk and multiple associations with Christ deniers. You reap what you sow.

 

Who are you calling "our own"?

 

Who are you calling "our own"? </font>[/QUOTE]Are you saying you are not a professing believer in Jesus Christ?

 

==Who are the so-called "Christ deniers" associated with Mr Falwell's ministry? Please give their name(s) and their direct connection to Jerry Falwell Ministries. If you cannot please explain why you can't backup your claims.

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I think it is sad that those who have differences with Falwell (a) jumped on this false story with no critical thought, (b) when proven wrong still attempt to drag Mr Falwell through the mud. For example by saying his ministry is associated with "Christ deniers" and "junk". Worse those claims are not backed up with any sort of evidence. They are just put out there. I reject this kind of mudslinging. All Christians should be above this kind of behavior. What I have seen in this thread is an open embarrassment to Christianity. I stand by my request that this thread be shut down since it violates the "Civility" section of the board rules. It should also be stopped since it is nothing but gossip and mudslinging.

Martin.

 

Who are you calling "our own"? </font>[/QUOTE]Are you saying you are not a professing believer in Jesus Christ? </font>[/QUOTE]I am saying that I am not a professing believer in Mr Falwells theology.

 

What theology is that?

 

Agreed Martin.. This thread should be shut down based on the pure fact that the OP and the title of the thread are false.. People will continue to see the title and assume it to be true. I hope it is closed ASAP, but I trust the mods to do what they feel is right. God bless.

 

==Who are the so-called "Christ deniers" associated with Mr Falwell's ministry? Please give their name(s) and their direct connection to Jerry Falwell Ministries. If you cannot please explain why you can't backup your claims.

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I think it is sad that those who have differences with Falwell (a) jumped on this false story with no critical thought, (b) when proven wrong still attempt to drag Mr Falwell through the mud. For example by saying his ministry is associated with "Christ deniers" and "junk". Worse those claims are not backed up with any sort of evidence. They are just put out there. I reject this kind of mudslinging. All Christians should be above this kind of behavior. What I have seen in this thread is an open embarrassment to Christianity. I stand by my request that this thread be shut down since it violates the "Civility" section of the board rules. It should also be stopped since it is nothing but gossip and mudslinging.

Martin. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, it is an embarrassment that Christianity is such a loose, open commodity that accepts any brand of religion, no matter what the source. It sort of astounds me that it's easier to stick up for someone just because they say the Name of Jesus, instead of doing the research to find out that what they are involved with is another gospel. Go figure.

ps: truth is perceived as "mud slinging" because it steps on people's toes and violates their "right" to a "feel good" gospel and unity at all costs.

 

eloidalmanutha:

==I see that you have provided no support for your earlier statements. Mr Fawell teaches basic Christian teachings. Other than his political activism, which I disagree with, he is orthodox. If you think he teaches an unorthodox doctrine please provide evidence. I am still waiting for the evidence to back up your other claim. Am I waiting in vain?

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==There is no truth in the article nor in your accusations. So don't accuse me of feel-goodism and unity at all costs. You made an accusation and you have failed to support your accusation. That is mudslinging by its very definition. I must assume that you did not provide the requested evidence because you can't provide it. Again I ask you...who are the "Christ deniers" associated with Jerry Falwell Ministries and what is their association with the Ministry. Please provide this information.

Martin.

 

I also think that this thread should be shut down. Falwell clearly rejects what this thread has accused him of. It's time for the moderator to close this thread.